Should Christians Stand Up for Themselves?

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This might sound like a silly question, but I mean it. I am asking it generically, but the question does have its origin in a potentially difficult situation in my life.

Does Jesus’ teaching of “turning the other cheek”, “loving our enemies”, and being “persecuted for righteousness sake” mean that we shouldn’t stand up for ourselves, but rather let others dictate our lives, push us around, etc.?

Is it saintly to endure unjust suffering–perhaps viewing it as a way to sanctification in our lives? Or are we supposed to put a stop to it?

To put the question another way, I am thinking of the cross. Jesus did not end his suffering, but rather endured it for the sake of his Father and for the ungodly (who would be blessed by it). Does standing up for ourselves effectively take away a cross in our lives that God has put there for our own good, as painful as it may be?

Thanks for your discussion and insights.

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It depends.

When the temple guard literally slapped the Lord, He calmly turned the other cheek towards him and replied:
If there is some offense in what I said, point it out; but if not, why do you strike me?
However, when the Roman guards mocked Him and crowned Him with thorns, He remained quiet.

When he was being accused in public, sometimes by words, other times by mere thoughts, He would speak up, sometimes even directly asking them why were they thinking such things.

However, when He was being accused before Pilate, He remained quiet.

When He noticed how the Temple had been desacrated, He was filled with zeal and expelled with strong hand the moneychangers and asked those who sold animals to take them away.

However when the Temple of His body was undergoing the most painful passion, He remained quiet.

When He was alone, in the darkness of the Garden, He asked His Father: “Take this cup of suffering away from me. Yet, not what I want, but what you want.”

However, when Peter was afraid for Him, He replied with strength: “You do not think like God does, but like men do. Shall I refuse to drink the cup of sorrow which the Father has given me to drink?” He approached the armed guards, asked who they were looking for, and confirmed He was the one they were looking for, with such charisma that all fell back, and He had to ask again.

When Satan tempted Him in the desert, He replied to Him.

However, when other demons spoke to Him, He commanded them to be quiet.

It is a very delicate topic. I think it depends a lot on what are we standing up for. Is it for the sake of truth, or to defend our wounded pride? Is it to avoid to scandalize the weak, or is it so that the proud may be satisfied with us? Is it for the love of God, or for our self-love?

I hardly ever know what is the right thing…yet I trust that, when the right time comes, if I am humble enough, the Holy Spirit will determine the right course of action for me.
 
It depends.

When the temple guard literally slapped the Lord, He calmly turned the other cheek towards him

You know Father Barron has an excellent discussion on that in his Catholicism series. Christ turned His other cheek to the man, not as an act of weakness, but as an act of strength. He was saying through His actions, “you will not strike me there a second time.” It was not threatening per se. But it was very telling that humility is necessary but only to a point. When push comes to shove we are expected to stand up and defend Truth. The lengths we have to go to do so, or the amount of force we must use is decided entirely by those who persecute us.
 
dsully-----What a question! I’ve agonized over it for too many decades. I, too, agree that it depends upon the situation.

When I was young (grade school), and so yearning to be another Little Flower, Joan of Arc, or any of the saints, for that matter, I was adamant in my remaining silent rather than speaking up on my own behalf, while I frequently got “in Dutch” at school for championing the underdogs who’d been unfairly treated. Unfortunately, that became the way of my life, and I’ve suffered the consequences for way too many decades; call me a slow learner.

As the decades passed, I realized that I’d become a scapegoat both within my family and in my workplace. By not standing up for myself (and, therefore, for anyone else in a similar situation as my own) I became a doormat–an unwilling doormat, but a doormat, just the same. I finally learned this truism: Turn the other cheek, and they’ll hit that one, too! Here’s another observation: Turn the other cheek often enough, every time you get hit (not necessarily physically), and you’ll feel like a swinging door, door, door, door! (For a clearer understanding of what I’m saying, turn your head from one side to the other each time you rapidly say, “door.”)

Strangely, I was always going to bat for those who seemed unable to defend themselves, yet was incapable of standing up for myself, even when in the same circumstances. Was it a martyr complex? I don’t think so, and, yet, I wonder, because I had a sense of guilt when I’d attempt to correct a false impression of me, or an outright lie, whereas I felt shallow and immoral–that I’d be a poor Catholic–if I even thought for a moment about not jumping to the defense of someone else who was being skewered, ridiculed, or falsely accused, even knowing that I’d be painted with the same broad brush as they, and that I would suffer the consequences of more verbal abuse or retribution.

Shattered inside when, once again, I’d be maligned, for years I would find solace in knowing that God knew the truth of the matter, but that gave me precious little ammunition to get through the onerous days at work or in the midst of family gatherings. The depression and numbness that were part of my daily life for literally decades were a horrible way to live and I do not recommend my former victim acquiescence. When I FINALLY challenged what was being said, demanded corrections, or stood my ground, things didn’t miraculously smooth out, but over time there were subtle, if grudging, changes on the parts of others, and I felt much better inside. More remarkable changes occurred on the occasions when, through hurt and fury, I succumbed to dishing out what I’d been receiving, but I felt I’d lowered myself to their poor standards. I felt ashamed of myself in those instances and don’t recommend sinking to the level of your nemesis in any aspect of your life.

In contrast, there is the ongoing situation with my daughter-in-law’s words and actions. I’ve never said a word to my son, and can’t see that happening. I love him too much to put him into the position of having to choose which of us he is to believe, so I remain silent. My DIL has told me some of the cockamamie ideas about me that she believes (having learned them from some of my “loving” family) and I fully believe that my DIL has discussed some of these issues with my son, because he has said nothing–strict silence on certain topics which should have come up in casual conversation. If he had believed her, he would have chastised me immediately. So, for the few times that I see my son each year, I take her vicious tongue in silence, “turning the other cheek” (although I admit to figuratively sticking my tongue out at her while doing so!).

If you are asking whether you should keep quiet in matters of your beliefs having to do with the Catholic Church, you must decide whether you can live better with your silence or by speaking your piece. If you’re wanting to convert and are being harangued for your beliefs, can you live with that? From my experience I would say that the frequency and severity of the mistreatment will only escalate unless you make it clear that you won’t stand or sit there while the Church is maligned–then hightail it out of there the first time your boundaries have been breached. Putting up with badgering gives them license to persist. If you permit such a situation to perpetuate, your family “together” time will become strained or downright contentious. There is also the possibility that if they learn the truth from you, then, they, too, may convert. Stranger things have occurred!

Pray for guidance, dsully. Best wishes to you as you decide upon your faith matters and your course of action. I’ll add you to my prayers.
 
This might sound like a silly question, but I mean it. I am asking it generically, but the question does have its origin in a potentially difficult situation in my life.
Some questions that “seem silly” can turn out to be the most profound…and/or the most difficult to answer. This is usually because, upon reflection, we find some of our “preconceptions” challenged. For this reason alone…I like these kinds of questions.

Beginning with the title…
Should Christians Stand Up for Themselves?
My blunt answer is “No”…However…we should stand up for God, for Truth and in defense of others, but always in Love.
Does Jesus’ teaching of “turning the other cheek”, “loving our enemies”, and being “persecuted for righteousness sake” mean that we shouldn’t stand up for ourselves, but rather let others dictate our lives, push us around, etc.?
If we are in Christ then no one can “push us around” because no matter where we are (corporeally), we are still in the same place…In Christ. Persecution has no effect against the armor of faith, constructed as it is of grace and with the glue of Agape.

The matter of other’s dictating our lives…well that is a bit more difficult. After all, it IS your life and (short of physical force) no one can “dictate” you life unless you allow them to. So in this regard, it may be necessary to be firm and consistent - but not aggressive or violent.
The descriptions others have given of Jesus passion and how he simply took the blows without either aggressive response or capitulation to pressure is a wonderful example to contemplate.
Is it saintly to endure unjust suffering–perhaps viewing it as a way to sanctification in our lives? Or are we supposed to put a stop to it?
This question has no single answer. Each situation is unique. But as I mentioned earlier, those things that we “stand up for” should not revolve around ourselves, but around God and the proper defense of others.
To put the question another way, I am thinking of the cross. Jesus did not end his suffering, but rather endured it for the sake of his Father and for the ungodly (who would be blessed by it). Does standing up for ourselves effectively take away a cross in our lives that God has put there for our own good, as painful as it may be?
I believe that in a very real sense, yes it does take away a cross if we stand up for ourselves. BUT - again - situations can vary quite a bit. Standing up for ones self and ones beliefs can wind up exchanging one cross for another.
Thanks for your discussion and insights.
You are welcome. Hope we have been of some help.

Peace
James
 
We live in a hyper-competitive, materialistic, ego-driven society. It generates so much unnecessary drama that often comes from people looking for perceived slights as much as real ones, like two roosters in a barnyard.

Obviously, if a person threatens my children, they’re going to have a bigger problem to deal with very quickly. On the other hand, if someone cuts me off in traffic, whatever. That person might be late, dealing with a sick relative, or just didn’t see me. Only God knows.

Bullying is another matter. So are attacks on the faith.

But I do like what a previous poster said – turning the other cheek is not a position of weakness, but strength. We are showing that we can endure what the world throws at us, because we understand that the world is not the be-all, end-all, and that we have confidence in the Lord.
 
I get the impression that some posters would criticize the Apostle Paul for standing up for his rights as a Roman citizen, which he did more than once.
 
Well - I wouldn’t…
Wouldn’t which – stand up for your rights, or criticize Paul?

Just wondering.

My take is from Ecclesiastes – to every thing there is a time. There are times when it’s proper to stand up for one’s right, and there are times when it’s proper to stand there and take it.
 
Wouldn’t which – stand up for your rights, or criticize Paul?

Just wondering.
My response was to your comment about criticizing Paul…
My take is from Ecclesiastes – to every thing there is a time. There are times when it’s proper to stand up for one’s right, and there are times when it’s proper to stand there and take it.
Good point. Of course this is something more specific than the OP’s question which was standing up for one’s “self”.
Standing up for one’s rights is much broader…When the rights of one is also standing up for the rights of many. It would be the loving thing to do.

Peace
James
 
My response was to your comment about criticizing Paul…

Good point. Of course this is something more specific than the OP’s question which was standing up for one’s “self”.
**Standing up for one’s rights is much broader…When the rights of one is also standing up for the rights of many. It would be the loving thing to do. **
Peace
James
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Sometimes when you are silent before your persecutor they are confronted with themselves. Often, people are trying to find your weak spot, so don’t give it to them. Being confident in the truth, and not letting your peace be disturbed is the best witness.

If you must reply, make it short, sweet, and to the point. And don’t forget to make it from the heart, with their best interest in mind. If you can’t say something from genuine love and compassion, don’t say anything at all.

You don’t need to win the battle, Jesus has already done that.

Bishop Sheen said, “Win an argument, lose a soul.”

That’s my advice.
 
I think the answer is definitely yes. I agree there should be compassion and forgiveness, but Jesus himself showed anger and non-violent resistance to injustice in many situations. I think being impassive towards injustice either towards others of yourself is one of the worst things you can do. Thomas Aquinas says love of neighbour can’t be done in a healthy manner without healthy love of self, and also firmly held it is just to defend yourself against an unjust aggressor, even if you have to kill the person attacking you. So no Christian should stand by impassively in the face of bullying, harassment, or injustice of any kind.
 
A person once told me, “Only hurt people, hurt people.” I have to agree. So if someone is hurting you or attacking you, they are probably very wounded. There is no need to inflict more wounds on an already bleeding soul. Your kindness and compassion in the situation could change them forever.

Remember that God says in scripture that “vengeance is mine.”
 
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It depends.

When the temple guard literally slapped the Lord, He calmly turned the other cheek towards him

You know Father Barron has an excellent discussion on that in his Catholicism series. Christ turned His other cheek to the man, not as an act of weakness, but as an act of strength. He was saying through His actions, “you will not strike me there a second time.” It was not threatening per se. But it was very telling that humility is necessary but only to a point. When push comes to shove we are expected to stand up and defend Truth. The lengths we have to go to do so, or the amount of force we must use is decided entirely by those who persecute us.
I’ve watched that quite a few times, that particular part of Father Barron’s Catholicism series, and it’s very good! The other examples he gave were excellent also, Tutu and Mother Teresa. That message arrived at a time when I needed to hear it most too. I agree with everything you posted. Humility is necessary but only to a point.
 
Seek ye first the kingdom.

The more they say, the more we need to improve our own faith lives and prayer lives, to the point where we are sources of Agape. If we have surrendered our wills to God, then the Holy Spirit will give us the words we need, exactly when we need them.

Alan
 
+JMJ+
I’ve watched that quite a few times, that particular part of Father Barron’s Catholicism series, and it’s very good! The other examples he gave were excellent also, Tutu and Mother Teresa. That message arrived at a time when I needed to hear it most too. I agree with everything you posted. Humility is necessary but only to a point.
I think a discussion of what Fr. Robert Barron said there would be most helpful for the OP.

Fr. Barron said that in ancient times Jews use the left hand for dirty things (like what you do in the bathroom; I’ll leave that to your imagination :o). Therefore to use the left hand indiscriminately was to make oneself unclean. Also, to slap others back then, one used his/her backhand: the backhand slap was how a master hits a slave. Therefore, to be slapped on the “right cheek” (Matthew 5:38) was to be told “You are beneath me!” But to “offer the other cheek” means that to be hit there either one of two things must happen: (1) to be slapped by the left hand, which means the slapper would become unclean, or (2) to be hit with the closed fist of the right hand, which means “I am your equal.”

Fr. Barron called this “nonviolent provocation”. He then gave three contemporary examples of this.

One is from a young Desmond Tutu, retired Anglican Archbishop of South Africa. During the apartheid, while he was standing in a sidewalk, a white man told him to get off the sidewalk, saying “I can’t stand to walk near a gorilla.” Tutu then made a pose of letting him pass through, saying “But I can!”

The other is from Mother Teresa of Calcutta. She was carrying a young child, begging for scraps to feed him. She begged to a shop owner, and she received a spit on her face. She then said, “Thank you for that gift. Now, would you mind giving something for this child, too?”

And the last is from Mahatma Gandhi, who was so impressed with Jesus’ teachings in the Sermon in the Mount that he used this “nonviolent provocation” to help India get its independence from the British Empire.
 
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