Should church introduce transgender baptism? [Church of England]

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ComplineSanFran said:
No one suggested that there be a re-baptism. The ritual suggested was one ‘LIKE’ a baptism.
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Thank you and as one other has said not widespread or accepted at any committed level. Every faith has "eejits " : we certainly do. Oddbalsl with odder ideas Like the Jesuit and no Satan etc. and those withinh RC advocating same sex relationships

The thing that repels me most here is the constant backbiting. Makes me want to head for the door fast.
 
There is no new identity. A man cannot be changed into a woman, nor a woman into a man. Every cell in the body knows its sex by the chromosomes it carries. Why should there be a religious ceremony to try to recognize an impossibility? It would be a disservice to reality and to God.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
I believe this makes a lot of sense for those going through a major transition in their lives. No one is advocating re-baptism, because we all know that a person’s baptism happens once. The article states this. The ritual would be ‘like’ a baptism, changing from one state of being into another. We have rituals similar to this in the church all the time (as do most all faith traditions). We mark the old, we acknowledge there is something new, and we mark the change from one to the other. And then we welcome the new person into the fold.

I’m thinking of:

Baptism. Obviously.
Matrimony - two persons are united sacramentally into one
Ordination - the person is changed sacramentally from one state of being into priesthood
Anointing - in the Hebrew Bible (and in specific situations today) a person was changed into Kingship, a completely new state of being.
Anointing is still used to help guide a person from life unto death.
Initiation rites are similar, marking the entrance into adulthood.
Many monastics are asked to give up their old names and ways and are presented as new brothers or sisters in Christ. New names, new lives.

You may argue the reason for the ritual here, but the underlying precedent is both ancient and widespread.
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Nothing can turn a person into the opposite sex. If I step on a landmine and get my male parts blasted off, I would not “become” a girl.
 
Sy_Noe said:
So it appears to me you have come to believe humans with finite minds know everything about God. Go with it. I shall pass.
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God has revealed eveyrhing to us that we need to know in his Church. The Church is his mouthpiece. This is why the Church can never be wrong and those who are against the Church are against God.
 
thephilosopher6 said:
God has revealed eveyrhing to us that we need to know in his Church. The Church is his mouthpiece. This is why the Church can never be wrong and those who are against the Church are against God.
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I do understand by “the Church” in your faith you believe that to be the Catholic Church.
 
Sy_Noe said:
I do understand by “the Church” in your faith you believe that to be the Catholic Church.
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Although there are many branches to the Christian Church. And from this article, it seems the Anglican/Church of England branch is starting to have a discussion about creating a ritual that allows transgendered people to be ‘born anew’ in the faith. They want to be welcomed and their new self honored. Sounds good to me.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Although there are many branches to the Christian Church. And from this article, it seems the Anglican/Church of England branch is starting to have a discussion about creating a ritual that allows transgendered people to be ‘born anew’ in the faith. They want to be welcomed and their new self honored. Sounds good to me.
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Transgendered people should be welcomed in their church. I agree with that 100%. And I believe that people should be called whatever name they want to be called.

But creating a ritual or rite is taking things a little too far. You can promote warmth, acceptance, etc without accepting an objectively harmful decision.

The phrase “love the sinner but hate the sin” is a phrase that really needs to come back in vogue fast. It really is possible to do both.
 
phil19034 said:
The phrase “love the sinner but hate the sin” is a phrase that really needs to come back in vogue fast. It really is possible to do both.
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I don’t see the point really. It’s a phrase that’s only meaningful to the person who utters it.

I doubt transgender people or their loved ones feel much love when people describe the push for acceptance as deception by “the enemy.”
 
That baptism sounds like it would be absolutely null and utterly void.
 
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