Should Co-habitation be an impediment to marriage?

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I was not arguing for or against the impediment…I was correcting your point which you made:

On the contrary co-habitation without sexual relations creates only one problem. Temptation. All temptation can be confronted with Christ.

I made my point very clearly that cohabitation causes way way more problems than just merely temptation.
Yes, I agree you are correct sir. I was short of time and didn’t do your first reply justice. I appologize for coming off as tongue in cheek. Something not said well is better off not said at all. Thank you for the correction.

Not meaing to depart from the topic of the thread being if cohabitation should be an impediment lets exlplore this a bit further.

What exactly would you say are some of the problems cohabitation creates aside from a traditional or ideal marriage where cohabitation is not engaged in until after the marriage ceremony?

I ask because though I didn’t cohabitate with my wife we spent so much time together before the sacramental ceremony that the only differance was that she or I went home to our persepective residences at night.

I would be interested to know what difference actually would be entailed simply by matter of cohabitation. Wouldn’t intent and honestly have alot to do with it.

Should we assume there were no women cohabitating with Jesus and the Apostles. As we know several of them were married and remained so. As well as we know there are many communal religious communities whereby unmarried men and women live and work together in a holy manner. But anyways, I digress, please your answer to the above question would be appreciated.

Thanks.
 
This is incorrect. Protestant marriages are presumed valid. If they convert to Catholicism, they do not have to get their marriage convalidated. (all other things being equal).
I also said justice of the peace (state marriage) protestant marriage was a bad example I guess.
 
I also said justice of the peace (state marriage) protestant marriage was a bad example I guess.
Still a bad example – non-Catholics who are otherwise free to marry may do so validly and licitly before a JP.

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I think scenarios about 40 year old people from thousands of miles apart who can’t afford to live on their own (but how did they survive before hand?), so its okay to live together is a bad example of justifying scandalous behaviour. Perhaps if they are really financially strapped (how would they raise children as 40 is certainly not barren and they would have to be open to new life) they might have to buy a single bed as beds cost a lot of money. Would that be okay?

Let’s instead deal with the 20 or 30 year old something couples who actually live in the same city rather than the Alpha Quadrant and who actually can afford to live on their own.

Can you justify that?
 
Still a bad example – non-Catholics who are otherwise free to marry may do so validly and licitly before a JP.

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Okay then I am confused. WHy do I so frequently see the apologists and other catholics telling people who marry befre the JP and convert that they HAVE to live chaste until they have their wedding blessed by the RCC? That if they are intimate without being blessed, they commit mortal sin?
 
Ah yes but the scenario here was they were 1000 miles apart. How do you propose they would undergo instruction and become part of the same community. Lets assume he didn’t have the means to move there on his own. There are things like employment to consider as well. Perhaps he has no family he can stay with near her. Should they take the chance to co-habitate, maintain a long distance relationship which is really no relationship at all or just undergo the heartbreak of calling it quits?

There is no simple answer. What if they are very prayerful people and they recieve confirmation and inspiration to unite from above dispite popular opinion. Should they ignore their choice and Gods will that says its good that they should marry? No man is an island and men and women are designed for each other. Paul says its better for a man to marry than to burn. Burn with what exactly: lonliness, heartache? Lust isn’t an issue in this scenario and were assuming the couple sincerely want to give themselves to each other in a self giving committment but are faced with the obstacle of distance.

You see this is not a simplistic scenereo and would take much discernment. Cohabitation is a loophole in this case. Which furthers my case why it is not an impediment nor should this hypothetical couple be denied sacramental marriage when they are doing the best they can to be obedient to God and his church.

After all lets not forget they are not excluded from the sacraments so long as they remain chaste. If they are new to their congregation and no one knows they cohabitate and they marry quitely as soon as possible where is the public scandal? How does ones decisions scandalize another if they do not effect their own or anothers faith?
As long as they remain chaste.👍 What a thought. Imagine, two people, deeply in love, apparently sexually attracted to each other, living under the same roof, probably sleeping at the same times, heck maybe in the same room or even bed, bathing showering, sharing intimate, chaste, of course, moments, throughout the day and night, soothing back rubs and foot massages and long discussions about the meaning of life. Learning about each other as they devoutly pray the Rosary at bed time before retiring alone.:rotfl:

Sounds like a Life Teen skit to me. Totally unrealistic and not very good either.

It is amazing the lengths people will go to to justify atrocious behavior and bad choices.

I’ve got a really strange idea, probably repellent to some on this forum but here goes.

HOW ABOUT LIVING APART UNTIL THEY ARE ACTUALLY MARRIED? :bigyikes:

I know that in these enlightened times such neanderthal ideas probably don’t make much sense, but I thought I’d throw it out there anyway.
 
I think scenarios about 40 year old people from thousands of miles apart who can’t afford to live on their own (but how did they survive before hand?), so its okay to live together is a bad example of justifying scandalous behaviour. Perhaps if they are really financially strapped (how would they raise children as 40 is certainly not barren and they would have to be open to new life) they might have to buy a single bed as beds cost a lot of money. Would that be okay?

Let’s instead deal with the 20 or 30 year old something couples who actually live in the same city rather than the Alpha Quadrant and who actually can afford to live on their own.

Can you justify that?
With the distance couple we have to consider what is entailed in relocation. Moving expense, new employment, fertility, past lives, previous children etc etc. By 40 one or the other may no longer be fertile and one cannot just pick up their job or community and take it with them. There are many things to undertand and consider in everyones individual circumstance that others may not be aware of that could justify what to some looks wrong. Christs church understands this perfectly.

Dealing with your 20-30 year olds and since you mention children I would hope that we agree the primary purpose of sex is procreation. Though cohabitation and premarital sexual union is emotionally out of order in the grand scheme of things, to bring children into the fray without that stable union is not only doing harm to the couple themselves but then to an innocent child should such a blessing take place. In no way would such children be illigitimate but on the other hand they definitly could be at a disadvantage in life for several reasons had the parents been able to hold to a higher standard. One would think we all should want as loving, permanent and stable home as possible to bring a child into.

This is a substantial argument against co-habitation as a norm if one could not remain chaste until they have built the foundation of a lasting relationship. Not an argument for it as an impediment though. Though co-habitation is a loophole so to speak if one can remain chaste it should be mentioned that remaining chaste is as self giving as uniative marital love. If the substance and circumstances for longevity aren’t present and there is risk of disease or unwanted or untimely pregnancy we would only be furthering the epidemic of disfunction and broken families.

This is not to say that a 20-30 year old couple cannot remain chaste while co-habitating let us not sell ourselves short by ignoring the power of the draw of the flesh when in love. We may have all good intetions but still fail. What then happens when we fail? Do we then retreat from the union until were married? I think we can admit the answer to that isn’t practacle and why we should refrain from pre-marital sex in the first place. To each his own gifts and while some may be stronger than others in this area to resist the pull of the sexual urges most who fail are not that strong. Irregardless of what they know is wrong or not. This is where reconcilliation comes in for us. Our God is a God of as many chances as we need. The key is to recognize our weekness and turn in dependance upon the Lord who faithfully can help us to convert. Ideally if one finds that they are co-habitating and realize they cannot remain chaste they should realize they have erred in their thinking and should repent and rectify the situation. They have to be the judge for themselves of how to recitify that situation. They have resources in the church available to them to help with that. First line of defense is the Sacraments and the Parish Priest. This is why the church demands marital instruction. Its not so the church can control people, its so they can protect them from making a shambles of their lives as best its able with the wisdom and guidance of Christ.

Now, actually you have mentioned that if a couple can and is able to NOT cohabitate before marriage then they protect themselves if they do not. It certainly is much easier to refrain from taking that step too soon than from retreating from it once its made which to me realistically would seem virtually impossible. There is alot to be said about absence making the heart grow fonder and its ability to develope into a SELFLESS love rather than a selfish and indulgent un-love that will rob one of peace and lead to strife, turmoil and worse.

I would highly recommend reading Mary Beth Bonacci who expresses in a womans point of view many of the questions raised in this thread and many more that are pertinent to marital and dating life:

reallove.net/index2.asp?CID=1
 
Okay then I am confused. WHy do I so frequently see the apologists and other catholics telling people who marry befre the JP and convert that they HAVE to live chaste until they have their wedding blessed by the RCC? That if they are intimate without being blessed, they commit mortal sin?
As a simple example, let’s say someone was baptized as a Catholic, but never confirmed. They weren’t seriously raised Catholic. Nevertheless, they are still bound by the laws of the Church. She requires them to marry according to form. So when they went and married in front of the JP because religion had no meaning to them, they did not meet form, and are in a marriage that needs to be convalidated. They find this out years later when they return to the Church.

There are so many permutations of this. Often the issue is that the spouse was raised Catholic, but wandered from the Church. The person who is converting never was Catholic, but still they are not in a valid marriage on account of the history of their spouse.

I am very, very glad that I converted young, before I ever got into some type of marriage. So many converts face marriage situations. God knew my weakness and had mercy. I don’t know if I would have converted if I had faced a sexless non-marriage scenario.
 
As a simple example, let’s say someone was baptized as a Catholic, but never confirmed. They weren’t seriously raised Catholic. Nevertheless, they are still bound by the laws of the Church. She requires them to marry according to form. So when they went and married in front of the JP because religion had no meaning to them, they did not meet form, and are in a marriage that needs to be convalidated. They find this out years later when they return to the Church.

There are so many permutations of this. Often the issue is that the spouse was raised Catholic, but wandered from the Church. The person who is converting never was Catholic, but still they are not in a valid marriage on account of the history of their spouse.

I am very, very glad that I converted young, before I ever got into some type of marriage. So many converts face marriage situations. God knew my weakness and had mercy. I don’t know if I would have converted if I had faced a sexless non-marriage scenario.
Now, I am not trying to start an arguement, just trying to figure this out, but how is this different from cohabiting if they aren’t validly married? I mean, they are told to continue to live together but remain chaste. It would seem to me that if cohabitation is wrong because the couple isn’t validly married yet, then the same should apply to couples who aren’t validly married in the church. 🤷

that was the question, now here are some of my thoughts 🙂

It would seem that the church should advise them (an invalidly married couple, waiting for church blessing) to live apart until they are validly married. I think they don’t because they realize that to live apart one person has to find a new place (usually a rental) and that takes time, and depending on the location, is nearly impossible (I am thinking of my home town where there simply are no cheap rentals) they have to buy furniture for that new place, pay first and last months rent, and most places require a lease. It’s quite infeasible. Same with a couple who may already be living together that wants to do the right thing, and return to their faith and get married in the church. They live chaste until their wedding day and make regular confession. We can’t force them apart because the simple truth is that most perople can’t afford such a situation. No, it’s not okay to live together, and those of us who know that can avoid that situation, but for those already in that situation we need to give them grace and understanding that it’s hard to separate. And in the case of this hypothetical couple people are talking about, what is so wrong with separate bedrooms and living like “room mates?”

Also a term that needs to be better defined is what exactly is cohabitation? Some said I could be guilty of that because for 3 months I moved all my stuff into my fiancee’s apartment because I had no place for it. I ate his food, used his kitchen and stayed with him until late at night. Then, before we fell asleep I would get up and go to my friend’s house to sleep in a separate bed. (for the 3 months before our wedding after graduation) Most people i know would say this is NOT cohabitation. So what about a couple who has all their stuff in the same house, and have separate bedrooms? How far apart do the bedrooms have to be for “cohabitation” not to be the term?
 
What exactly would you say are some of the problems cohabitation creates aside from a traditional or ideal marriage where cohabitation is not engaged in until after the marriage ceremony?
As I’ve said plenty of times before, I’ve answered in my past posts…read the one about freedom… read the one about discernment when cohabitating. Needing grace,etc

The list goes on and on as I’ve said before…there are so many issues with the fact of just “living” together in the same premisis (house or apartment)…by themselves.
 
Now, I am not trying to start an arguement, just trying to figure this out, but how is this different from cohabiting if they aren’t validly married? I mean, they are told to continue to live together but remain chaste. It would seem to me that if cohabitation is wrong because the couple isn’t validly married yet, then the same should apply to couples who aren’t validly married in the church. 🤷
I understand. I am not a pastor, so I can’t reliably explain why they do what they do. I can observe, though. 🙂 When a couple who is invalidly married comes round to get the marriage convalidated, they tell them to abstain. They don’t seem to tell them to move out for several months. I wonder if this is partly related to how the convalidation is often a private event. Myself, if I were to suddenly find my marriage were invalid for some unknown reason, I’d not wish to advertise this to the world. I’d want it remedied very quietly. This would cause the least amount of scandal within my family. If it were public, it would cause lots of scoffing at the Church and its “dumb rules” and “lunacy”. For my relatives sake, it would be better if they were to never know. And they would know if we were separated for several months. (For clarity, I was married in the Church with said relatives in attendance). What I’m saying is perhaps the pastor makes an assessment of potential scandal. For other people, perhaps less scandal would be caused if they were forced to separate and the convalidation was very public.

If a couple who was Protestant and had married according to Protestant rules were to come to the pastor to convert to Catholicism, they would not be told that they had to abstain. Their marriage would be considered valid. (Let’s assume this was their first marriage).
It would seem that the church should advise them (an invalidly married couple, waiting for church blessing) to live apart until they are validly married. I think they don’t because they realize that to live apart one person has to find a new place (usually a rental) and that takes time, and depending on the location, is nearly impossible (I am thinking of my home town where there simply are no cheap rentals)
I will add to your thoughts here that often one is going to be responsible for an entire year’s lease, and not just a few months. The relatively cheap rentals in my area consist of an 8 foot by 8 foot cubicle, with a unisex shared bathroom down the hall and no kitchen facilities. Over ten years ago, such a sleeping room cost $325 a month (uh, more likely $425, my mind is failing). It would be more now.
And in the case of this hypothetical couple people are talking about, what is so wrong with separate bedrooms and living like “room mates?”
I could never have lived with my future spouse as I would with a roommate. The relationship was irrevocably different. I’m not talking about sexual relations. I’m talking about everything else though, including touch.
Also a term that needs to be better defined is what exactly is cohabitation? Some said I could be guilty of that because for 3 months I moved all my stuff into my fiancee’s apartment because I had no place for it. I ate his food, used his kitchen and stayed with him until late at night. Then, before we fell asleep I would get up and go to my friend’s house to sleep in a separate bed. (for the 3 months before our wedding after graduation) Most people i know would say this is NOT cohabitation. So what about a couple who has all their stuff in the same house, and have separate bedrooms? How far apart do the bedrooms have to be for “cohabitation” not to be the term?
Myself, looking at how my relationship with my future spouse grew, I’d say there is only a small gap between what you describe and with living together, at least when considering taking a couple that is currently living together and splitting them up for a bit. The interactions between the couple are the same. The way the pass the sugar is the same.

What that gap consists of exactly…hmmm. This is an excellent question to consider. I don’t think it is “commitment”, since they are marrying in a few months. It could be “respect”, at least if one of the two wants to be separate for the few months. I don’t know. That you ask the question almost makes me want to suggest that in general it would be better not to have the lives so intertwined as you described at any point before marriage. Mine was, though, so I have no grounds to talk, other than to say I wish it hadn’t been that way. It would have been better if at no point in our relationship had our lives been so intertwined. Temporary separation made no difference. (We weren’t separated by the Church or anything, just we were on opposite sides of the country for employment reasons for 4 months and couldn’t afford to visit, only a little phone and lots of writing).
 
I submit that the divorce rate is simple a result if people who think that marriage is dissolvable. It’s whether people believe (at the beginning) that divorce is never an option. No matter what. I think the truth is, everyone has a reason. Cohabitation does carry a benefit. You DO get to see how the other lives and you can decide if you can live with it. It has a downside too: you are living as a married couple and you may believe that marriage is just as permanent as cohabitation. Same with anything else. EVERYTHING has a pro and a con. You can point to the cons to blame any divorce rate at all.



But I do agree with you, just not about divorce rate. Cohabitation doesn’t mean you understand marraige any less or will get divorced, it just means you made a different (granted, poor) choice. I see cohabitation as a problem because you are cheating yourself out of the joy of being married when you CAN live together. It’s the best thing ever, and I feel sorry for cohabiting couples who won’t experience this. But yes, only a priest or the marriage counsellor can tell if the couple understands marriage. And they really do probe…at least, ours did 😛
Obviously a divorce rate in an of itself can’t form an entire argument, but your assertion bolded at the top is precisely what I was pointing to in my post - divorce rates in our day and age are largely attributable to the belief that marriage is soluble. Now, we already know that couples who cohabit *and *fornicate either a) have a proper understanding of marriage and simply believe themselves to be doing something gravely wrong or b) have a disordered view of marriage. Their obvious contempt for the sacrament and prevalent opinions would seem to suggest the latter, and when we see just how many of these marriages get subsequently treated as soluble I think we’ve got a good reason to suspect that these people meant something different with their vows than what the Church intends. Does this situation of cohabitation necessitate a flawed understanding? Of course not. Does it strongly suggest it? I think so.

Cohabitation without sex means you might have a weak grasp of the dangers of scandal and temptation, but still probably know what marriage is; cohabitation with sex, however, probably means one of the two options above, neither of which holds the institution in very high esteem and makes a commitment to it at least suspect. Could priests seek to probe, as you say yours did, so as to ascertain the couple’s understanding? Sure, they could probably get a pretty good read. All I’m saying, though, is that erecting an impediment here wouldn’t be crazy and could have the benefit of keeping people out of invalid marriages. We know for a fact that something is seriously wrong with marriage, at least in the US (you can try to blame the tribunals, but perhaps more easily argue that many people are simply marrying invalidly), so either no one is probing or else it’s still not working. It’s worth investigation.
 
As I’ve said plenty of times before, I’ve answered in my past posts…read the one about freedom… read the one about discernment when cohabitating. Needing grace,etc

The list goes on and on as I’ve said before…there are so many issues with the fact of just “living” together in the same premisis (house or apartment)…by themselves.
I don’t mean to sound crass here but saying the list goes on and on and them providing no examples amounts to nothing but opinion. The list of problems in marriage goes on and on too.

I gave you an example of how an engaged couple spends months and years together as one in the same home save for leaving to abide in their respective quarters in different locations.

What problems aren’t encountered in that circumstance that would be germain to co-habitation?

I would surmise they would be exactly the same. For the life of me I cannot think of one instance besides being unable to leave and have ones own space that would be different.
 
So you would you mind if I E-Mail Mary Beth and asked her about this question would you be prepared to live with that answer?
Why would I mind? I recommend her to young people. I respect Mary Beth very much. From what I gather she avoids speculating what the church should do. Whatever her answer is I am sure it would be in line with the current merciful Church teaching that cohabitation isn’t an impediment but on the other hand if you add fornication to that mix then that changes the dynamic entirely and both matters can raise concern for the more encompassing psychological impediments.

If you do msg her please keep the two clear and seperate. Though they can go hand in hand, Cohabitation and Fornication are distinctly different circumstances. I am sure she has spoken alot on both subjects of Cohabitation and Pre-marital sex. I believe she generaly gears her retorts to a younger audience (than I am accustomed to) though.

If your predominently concerned with what constitutes an impediment I suggest researching the actions of an annulment tribunal for example. There is alot of good information out there in regard to the current list of what the Church considers an impediment and good reason for them. There are just as good of reasons why some circumstances may at times and for certain individuals be impediments there are exceptions for which they cannot be defined universally. I think we can see that from the example of an older more mature couple earlier in the thread and especially the examples of self giving love that constitutes a successful marriage in the first place.

Impediments to marriage in general
 
I will add to your thoughts here that often one is going to be responsible for an entire year’s lease, and not just a few months. The relatively cheap rentals in my area consist of an 8 foot by 8 foot cubicle, with a unisex shared bathroom down the hall and no kitchen facilities. Over ten years ago, such a sleeping room cost $325 a month (uh, more likely $425, my mind is failing). It would be more now.

I could never have lived with my future spouse as I would with a roommate. The relationship was irrevocably different. I’m not talking about sexual relations. I’m talking about everything else though, including touch.

Myself, looking at how my relationship with my future spouse grew, I’d say there is only a small gap between what you describe and with living together, at least when considering taking a couple that is currently living together and splitting them up for a bit. The interactions between the couple are the same. The way the pass the sugar is the same.

What that gap consists of exactly…hmmm. This is an excellent question to consider. I don’t think it is “commitment”, since they are marrying in a few months. It could be “respect”, at least if one of the two wants to be separate for the few months. I don’t know. That you ask the question almost makes me want to suggest that in general it would be better not to have the lives so intertwined as you described at any point before marriage. Mine was, though, so I have no grounds to talk, other than to say I wish it hadn’t been that way. It would have been better if at no point in our relationship had our lives been so intertwined. Temporary separation made no difference. (We weren’t separated by the Church or anything, just we were on opposite sides of the country for employment reasons for 4 months and couldn’t afford to visit, only a little phone and lots of writing).
I see what you are saying. Although for some people (like my fiancee and I) the intertwining was inevitable. He was my financial support for almost a whole year we were engaged because I was in school and couldn’t afford things such as food, books, and emergencies. For the 3 months before we married, I didn’t have a place to keep all of my stuff. The people I stayed with had only an inflatable air mattress in a living room.

I think that sometimes the arguement of scandal is combined with people’s need to gossip and create scandal where it’s really none of their business. Maybe a girl got evicted, her family is dead, and she has no friends in the area, save for her boyfriend. He doesn’t have the money to get her her own place, so he takes her into his home and has her sleep on the couch for a month until she gets enough money together from a job to get her own place. Scandal may not exist if gossips kept their nose out of it and didn’t judge them. It’s different than if they were obviously living together, and had the money for her to live alone, and FLAUNTED the fact they were unamried.

I guess I get into this issue because my school had very strict rules about “propriety” My boyfriend (now husband) came to see me. We was going to stay the night at a friend’s house because we had plans for the next day. He dropped me off at my house, and I went upstairs. He then went to his friend’s house to stay the night but his friend went to bed early and his room mate locked the door. He called and called all night to wake him up to no avail. It was 4 am and a 1 hour drive home. He couldn’t come back to me for “propriety’s” sake (even though I lived with 5 other girls) so he drove home. He fell asleep at the wheel and got in an accident. Thank God he was already so tired he was going so slow it was only a small fender bender and no one pressed charges, but still. It could have been worse, and were it not for meddling judgemental gossipers he could have been safe on my couch.

I guess there just isn’t no set forumla for anything. And in scripture we see that Ruth and her Intended (Boaz) spent a night together on the thrashing room floor. So, I think there are only a few black and whites. Like premarital sex. The scandal thing…well you have to look at how it could be a scandal. Is it a scandal people people love a good scandal to put someone beneath them? Maybe it could be used to tell these people how they need to keep their busniess to themselves 🤷
 
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Well, I’m not sure how one would find out about a man beyond interviews and such, but for a woman, it would simply be a matter of determining whether the hymen was intact.

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You’re kidding, right? You are proposing a virginity test before marriage?? By the Church??!! Give me a break!

Let’s see now: ‘you’ve had pre-marital sex; therefore you can never get married. You’ll just have to keep on with the pre-marital sex.’

Yes, Jim very strange isn’t it! I can see alot of women going for that one. NOT…how crazy an idea is that…and I guess we’ll take the man on his word that he “is” a virgin? Geez louise…:rolleyes:
 
Just a point to correct my statement about room costs (not that anyone likely noticed, but still). You could get some kitchen access for the $325. It was in the 200’s if you took no kitchen access. (What would I do without my other half?)
 
Actually what makes no sense is for two people to live together prior to marriage. What exactly are they accomplishing by doing it? Getting to know each other? That all goes out the window with the first sexual contact anyway. Saving money by sharing finances? A big stretch to justify that one.

If you can give me one good solid reason maybe I’ll change my opinion, but I’ve been around way too long to think that the overwhelming majority of couples could live together and not engage in sexual relations.

Sorry, I just don’t buy it…
Actually, I disagree. Now, I understand the Church’s stance on cohabitation, and I’m not arguing it from a moral standpoint, but from a practical. My husband & I lived together for a little while before we were married and it was wonderful. It afforded us some time to really get to know each other and get to know what we were “in for” as far as our quirks and such. It certainly didn’t hurt our marriage at all.

That said, I am not suggesting people need to do this. That was 15 years ago, and I was only a Christian in name only. But from a practical standpoint, yeah, it worked for us, and I have no regrets.
 
I see what you are saying. Although for some people (like my fiancee and I) the intertwining was inevitable.
It was inevitable for us, too. Things would have had to be different to prevent it. Only one of us had any money, and then not much.
I think that sometimes the arguement of scandal is combined with people’s need to gossip and create scandal where it’s really none of their business. Maybe a girl got evicted, her family is dead, and she has no friends in the area, save for her boyfriend. He doesn’t have the money to get her her own place, so he takes her into his home and has her sleep on the couch for a month until she gets enough money together from a job to get her own place.
I also think people don’t recognize that a woman might go live with a man because her current home is unbearable. I’ve never actually heard much of any gossip about people living together. At least, not any type of put-down. I have seen it mentioned as a fact, perhaps to explain why some incident happened. Maybe I don’t live in the right part of the country for that, or it is because I grew up Protestant, and the family was very tight-lipped.
Scandal may not exist if gossips kept their nose out of it and didn’t judge them.
Maybe what people mean when they mention scandal is that the children in the extended family will then be more likely to cohabit or fornicate before marriage. I don’t think that is really about gossip. You are right that there could be some difference between a type of hidden cohabitation and a flaunted one, especially in the effect upon children.
He couldn’t come back to me for “propriety’s” sake (even though I lived with 5 other girls) so he drove home. He fell asleep at the wheel and got in an accident.
I see where you are coming from. In my family, the man would have been put up on the couch with some extended family member, or, failing that, on my couch. I’m glad he was okay! You are right that this could leave someone open to malicious gossip. I saw that type during high school, that’s for sure.
 
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