should even non-Catholics pray the rosary?

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i think so becaue everyone needs Jesus… and therefore eveyone should pray the rosary…

it helps me to see objective truth (aka Jesus) better than anything except theReal Presence…

i sometimes wonder how a person can even g et to Heaven if s/he doesn’t pray the rosary…

hmmmm… just some thoughts…

the rosary is what made me a Christian… a practicing one, that is… 🙂

so we should be promoting and distributing the rosary everywhere…
 
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i think so becaue everyone needs Jesus… and therefore eveyone should pray the rosary…

it helps me to see objective truth (aka Jesus) better than anything except theReal Presence…

i sometimes wonder how a person can even g et to Heaven if s/he doesn’t pray the rosary…

hmmmm… just some thoughts…

the rosary is what made me a Christian… a practicing one, that is… 🙂

so we should be promoting and distributing the rosary everywhere…
I see no problem with most of it: The Invocation, The Lord’s Prayer, The Apostle’s Creed, The Doxology, etc. Even the first part of the Hail Mary is scriptural. A while back, I came accross this website, with a Rosary that certainly a Lutheran can (and has) used.

orthodoxlutheran.fws1.com/bvm/lutheranrosary.pdf

Jon
 
As a non-Catholic I don’t see anything wrong with praying the Rosary if the person is moved to do so. It might at least be a neat learning experience. There is nothing unwholesome in it. My understanding is that even for Catholics it is an optional devotional practice, but one that is very popular. I don’t see anything harmful about it. I happen to have a Rosary. It’s pretty.
 
I don’t think it is a bad idea. I personally do not pray it. Though I find the scriptural meditations quite helpful. As a recent convert I still struggle with the second part of the Hail Mary.
 
Pardon my ignorance, but what is it about the 2nd part of the Hail Mary that causes problems for some people?
 
Pardon my ignorance, but what is it about the 2nd part of the Hail Mary that causes problems for some people?
Thank you for the question. I will do my best to articulate my point of view though it may not be the most educated. Lets look at the second part.
Hail Mary, full of grace.
Our Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
Jesus.
(the above completely from Scripture)

Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

The first bit of the second part Holy Mary, Mother of God; this is ok for me as God made Mary Holy and Mary is obviously the mother of God.
Pray for us sinners; this is where I personally still balk. I just have a hard time with the intersessory (sorry bad speller) prayer part. Mary and the saints are physically dead and not with us on this earth. Yes alive in heaven. Now if we are asking intersesory prayer and this comes in all over the world from millions of people and Mary is not omni present how can all these prayers be heard by her. (still my Lutheran side coming out).

I don’t know if that explains it well at all.
 
Pardon my ignorance, but what is it about the 2nd part of the Hail Mary that causes problems for some people?
Hail Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.

It is the invocation, asking her to pray for us, that is not usually practiced by Protestants.

Jon
 
Thank you for the question. I will do my best to articulate my point of view though it may not be the most educated. Lets look at the second part.
Hail Mary, full of grace.
Our Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
Jesus.
(the above completely from Scripture)

Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

The first bit of the second part Holy Mary, Mother of God; this is ok for me as God made Mary Holy and Mary is obviously the mother of God.
Pray for us sinners; this is where I personally still balk. I just have a hard time with the intersessory (sorry bad speller) prayer part. Mary and the saints are physically dead and not with us on this earth. Yes alive in heaven. Now if we are asking intersesory prayer and this comes in all over the world from millions of people and Mary is not omni present how can all these prayers be heard by her. (still my Lutheran side coming out).

I don’t know if that explains it well at all.
If you can SMS or Tweeter to the other side of the world at any moment and talk to your friends, do you need to be omnipresent at those places to do it? Do you really think that your toy is better than what they got in there in heaven? If you believe in life after death at all then the possibilities are unimaginable at the other side! But for the moment it is only through faith and hope… nothing else.

I always pray the Rosary. If for any reason Mother Mary didn’t hear me I know my guardian angel took notice of it.🙂
 
If you can SMS or Tweeter to the other side of the world at any moment and talk to your friends, do you need to be omnipresent at those places to do it? Do you really think that your toy is better than what they got in there in heaven? If you believe in life after death at all then the possibilities are unimaginable at the other side! But for the moment it is only through faith and hope… nothing else.

I always pray the Rosary. If for any reason Mother Mary didn’t hear me I know my guardian angel took notice of it.🙂
I don’t know I will tweeter Mary and ask her:rolleyes:😉 Anyway I don’t disagree with it. It is still a struggling point for me is all I am saying. I do think that the tech analogy is a bit silly no offence. I do support the rosary and defend it I just struggle with it some and only on the part in discussion I listed above.
 
Regarding the intercessory prayer, here’s an interesting story in the Old Testament, the Book of Job: after Job’s friends turn against him and instead of comforting him in his afflictions, suggest that Job must be a sinner and that’s why God sent those sufferings on him, God finally speaks and among other things, he tells that Job should pray for his friends (Job Chapter 42).

usccb.org/nab/bible/job/job42.htm

Here’s the quote:

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2 And it came to pass after the LORD had spoken these words to Job, that the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “I am angry with you and with your two friends; for you have not spoken rightly concerning me, as has my servant Job.
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3 Now, therefore, take seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up a holocaust for yourselves; and let my servant Job pray for you; for his prayer I will accept, not to punish you severely. For you have not spoken rightly concerning me, as has my servant Job.”
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Then Eliphaz the Temanite, and Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite, went and did as the LORD had commanded them. And the LORD accepted the intercession of Job.
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Also, the LORD restored the prosperity of Job, after he had prayed for his friends; the LORD even gave to Job twice as much as he had before.”

Footnotes 2 and 3 give the following explanation:

"2 [7] The three friends of Job (Elihu is ignored in the Epilogue) are criticized by the LORD because they had (even though in good faith) leveled false charges against him.

3 [8] Job becomes the intercessor for his friends, as were other great Old Testament characters, e.g., Abraham and Moses, and as our Lord would be, whom he prefigured."

I hope this helps to highlight that not only Jesus Christ, but also Old Testament Saints served as intercessors for sinners, and this practice was in accord with God’s will. I guess the intercessory role of Our Lady and other New Testament Saints, is a logical continuation to that. Perhaps their prayers are more effective than our own prayers, because we are sinners. Thus, God may not accept my prayer, but I can ask Holy Mary (and other Saints and Angels) to pray for me. That’s what the story of Job suggests. To me, Mary is as real as my own biological mother. I know she is alive and she cares about me. I happen to have a very loving and caring biological mother. When I ask my heavenly mother, Holy Mary, I imagine she listens and cares as much about me as my earthly mother. In addition, my earthly mother prays for me daily. 🙂 When I was in a difficult situation, I asked my mom for some extra prayers. I never feel embarrassed asking my mom for help, whether it’s prayers or material help. My mom is always happy to help me. So, although I have never seen my heavenly mom, Mary, I approach her with the same trust, because I know that she also loves me. And I’m sure she sees me and watches over me all the time.

When I was younger, I felt no affection to Holy Mary, and I couldn’t relate to those people who prayed the Rosary. But I had something of an eureka moment when I read the story of Mary’s apparition to the Aztec Indian Juan Diego on Tepeyac Hill, Mexico, in 1531 (commonly known as Our Lady of Guadalupe). Here we had these poor Indians, victims of a really gory, gruesome pagan religion of human sacrifice and endless cruelty, and Mary came to rescue them and introduce them to the true God. The God and creator of the universe who, instead of asking the Aztecs to kill fellow human beings and their children as a sacrifice to him, allowed his own divine son, Jesus, to be sacrificed and to become the price for humanity’s redemption. At the time, Aztecs were routinely warring and sacrificed tens of thousands of prisoners yearly, to appease the anger of their imaginary pagan Gods. It is also estimated that they killed one quarter of their own children, again for ritual sacrifice to their idol gods. They were in the stranglehold of a false religion, and Mary came to rescue them. By 1541, ten years after Our Lady of Guadalupe’s apparition, some 9 million Aztecs converted to Christianity and were baptized by Catholic missionaries. I don’t know why God permitted large portions of humanity to stray away and fall into the trap of false religions. But at God’s appointed time, Mary was allowed to appear and intercede for these people. There were also other appearances, e.g. to Natives (Indians) in Colombia. Learning about Mary’s appearances was an aha moment for me, because I realized that she is not some cold and distant figure, but rather someone who cares about us and loves us. Throw into the mix her appearance of Lourdes, 1858, to St. Bernadette. There she gave us a spring of water with miraculous healing power, and many miraculous cures happened at Lourdes. That’s another example of how Our Lady cares about our physical needs and an example of her intercession in our physical ailments.
 
I see no problem with most of it: The Invocation, The Lord’s Prayer, The Apostle’s Creed, The Doxology, etc. Even the first part of the Hail Mary is scriptural. A while back, I came accross this website, with a Rosary that certainly a Lutheran can (and has) used.
can you summarize what is different about … a rosary Lutherans can use??? :confused:
 
As a non-Catholic I don’t see anything wrong with praying the Rosary if the person is moved to do so. It might at least be a neat learning experience. There is nothing unwholesome in it. My understanding is that even for Catholics it is an optional devotional practice, but one that is very popular. I don’t see anything harmful about it. I happen to have a Rosary. It’s pretty.
this is kinda weird… when i was uncatechized, outside the Church… i thoght the exact s same thing… just that it was pretty…

then when i prayed it my life did a 180… or i should say I did a 180… My life is another story… but in any case, its been a long hard road since then but i am SO glad i did becasue i now know Jesus intimately. That is w hat the Rosary does… enables you to know Jesus intimately…

and that is what Purgatory is all about… unlearning the world and Learning Jesus…

getting ready (purified) for Heaven where no impure thing will enter (Rev 21)
 
I firmly beleive that everyone should be praying the rosary, in fact the Holy Mother requested as much at Fatima. As to whether non-Catholic christians (and possibly even E. Orthodox) will join in? Probably not, but I wish they would.
 
Thank you for the question. I will do my best to articulate my point of view though it may not be the most educated. Lets look at the second part.
Hail Mary, full of grace.
Our Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
Jesus.
(the above completely from Scripture)

Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

The first bit of the second part Holy Mary, Mother of God; this is ok for me as God made Mary Holy and Mary is obviously the mother of God.
Pray for us sinners; this is where I personally still balk. I just have a hard time with the intersessory (sorry bad speller) prayer part. Mary and the saints are physically dead and not with us on this earth. Yes alive in heaven. Now if we are asking intersesory prayer and this comes in all over the world from millions of people and Mary is not omni present how can all these prayers be heard by her. (still my Lutheran side coming out).

I don’t know if that explains it well at all.
i don’t know if i can answer this but i do know that when i pray to Mary… i feel that she has power over certain areas of my life that well… maybe no other saint does (?) … can’t really explain it… but it is powerful… She is very good against sexual impurity and as you may know sexual sins get people to Hell more than any other… self-gratification is pracrticed by just about everyone… a very grave sin… i wish the priests would tell people this… from the pulpit…:mad:
 
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i sometimes wonder how a person can even g et to Heaven if s/he doesn’t pray the rosary…
Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe the devotion of the rosary is not mandatory of Catholics. One can be Catholic and never pray the rosary and still be in full communion with the Roman See.

I’m glad you found a prayer devotion that strengthens your walk with Christ.
 
Hail Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.

It is the invocation, asking her to pray for us, that is not usually practiced by Protestants.

Jon
at the foot ofthe Cross Jesus gave Mary to John and vice versa… and in so doing, He gave Mary to all of us … She is our mother… and its interesting the Church is called Mother Church… and she (mary) is also called the new Ark of the covenant. In the OT the Jews carried with them the Ark which is how God communicated, visited them … His presence.

this is all interesting because the Real presence of Christ abides in the Church… just as Christ once physically, in human form, lived in Mary’s womb… I believe the RCC calls the Church the new Ark of the Covenant… and why wouldn’t it be since Christ’s real presence is there??
 
Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe the devotion of the rosary is not mandatory of Catholics. One can be Catholic and never pray the rosary and still be in full communion with the Roman See.

I’m glad you found a prayer devotion that strengthens your walk with Christ.
i never said it was mandatory…

all i know is that it saved me… from sin and isn’t tht hat eing a Christian is supposed to be all about??
 
The point made that praying the rosary is entirely optional for Catholics:
Really? I wasn’t aware of that. What if the rosary is part of penance after confession then? It is sometimes part of that from what I’ve always understood, or am I wrong? And the bigger question is, why wouldn’t a Catholic want to pray the rosary anyway? It’s a beautiful part of being Christian.
Note that I’m not yet a Catholic. 🙂
 
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