Should Fatima Be Open to All Religions?

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CrusaderNY:
Now that I have had to defend myself that I dont belong to some St Pius group, !
I did not ask you to defend yourself, I simply asked you to define your position with regard to mainstream Catholicism which travels under the authority of John Paul II.
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CrusaderNY:
“…but I firmly believe V2 and his continued push to Ecumenize the world and weaken our faith are way off base…”

“…you remind me of a Catholic who is willing to sell out their religion just to be with the “in crowd”. …”

“…but I am against what our Holy Father is doing…”

“…I want you to prove to me that you are not a Protestant pretending to be a Catholic, or worse yet a Moslem because you sure do sound like One”…
I do not have to “prove” anything; I simply state that not only am I a member of the church which follows John Paul II as pope I wholly support his efforts toward ecumenical relations. And after reading your quotes (above), I find that I am in rather good company.
 
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CrusaderNY:
I am loyal and am obedient to the Holy Father, but
Notice the but there.

Can one truly be loyal and obedient when they follow the statement that they are loyal and obedient with a but?
 
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ByzCath:
Notice the but there.

Can one truly be loyal and obedient when they follow the statement that they are loyal and obedient with a but?
As an Orthodox Christian I find that this so-called ecumenicalism has gone too far at Fatima. Fatima is and should stay a Roman Catholic worship site. If the RCC wants to give due respect to other religions she can do so without installing pagan sanctuaries within its walls. If I were a RC I would be greatly offended and I could almost accuse the priest/ bishops that allow this sort of thing guilty of apostacy.

StMarkEofE
 
Nothing short of disgraceful . . . we should be converting these heathens not legitimizing their “faith”. St. Pius pray for us!
 
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StMarkEofE:
As an Orthodox Christian I find that this so-called ecumenicalism has gone too far at Fatima. Fatima is and should stay a Roman Catholic worship site. If the RCC wants to give due respect to other religions she can do so without installing pagan sanctuaries within its walls. If I were a RC I would be greatly offended and I could almost accuse the priest/ bishops that allow this sort of thing guilty of apostacy.

StMarkEofE
All Catholic Churches are open to everyone.

They do not ask you for proof that your a Catholic before they let you into any Catholic Church.

The so-called “desecration” that took place at fatima was not what it is being reported as. Only one group is reporting that and they are schimatic.

This whole this is much ado about nothing. No change in what the Church teaches here. It is just a group of schismatics who live to criticize the legitimate Church.
 
Where is the Ecumenical Payback here? If this situation was reversed, the world would be outraged!

Gunmen Kidnap Catholic Archbishop in Iraq
Mon Jan 17, 2:08 PM

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BAGHDAD, Iraq - Gunmen kidnapped a Catholic archbishop and targeted security forces in a series of brazen attacks Monday that killed more than 20 people. U.S. Marines suffered undisclosed casualties in a car bombing in Ramadi, where two Shiite Muslims were beheaded and their bodies left on a sidewalk.

The top U.S. general here predicted more violence on the Jan. 30 balloting but pledged to do “everything in our power” to ensure safety. U.S. and Iraqi authorities hope for a substantial turnout, especially from the long-suppressed Shiite Muslim majority.

In Mosul, Archbishop Basile Georges Casmoussa, 66, of the Syrian Catholic Church, was seized while walking in front of his church, a priest said on condition of anonymity. No group claimed responsibility, but The Vatican condemned the abduction as a "terrorist act.

Christians make up just 3 percent of Iraq’s 26 million people. The major Christian groups include Chaldean-Assyrians and Armenians with small numbers of Roman Catholics.

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In Buhriz, 55 kilometers (35 miles) north of Baghdad, gunmen attacked an Iraqi National Guard checkpoint at the provincial broadcasting center, killing eight soldiers and wounding four. A suicide driver blasted a police station in Beiji, 250 kilometers (155 miles) north of the capital, killing seven policemen and wounding 25 people.

In Ramadi, 110 kilometers (70 miles) west of Baghdad, a U.S. spokesman said Marines suffered casualties in a clash which erupted after they were sent to check a report of a suspicious vehicle. When the Marines arrived, they came under small arms and rocket-propelled grenade fire and the vehicle exploded, according to Marine spokesman 1st Lt. Lyle Gilbert.

“There were U.S. casualties,” he said but declined to give further details, citing security.

[optonline.net/media/image/ARTICLE_GRAPHICS_BAG11201171436.jpg](javascript:void(0)😉 Also in Ramadi, officials Monday found six bodies - five civilians and one Iraqi soldier - each bearing handwritten notes declaring them collaborators, officials said. Four had been shot but two were beheaded, their blood-soaked bodies left where they died.

A note left beside the bodies said they were Shiite who confessed to spying for the Americans. They were seized after leaving an American garrison in the middle of the city, the note said.

Shiites have been targets of intimidation because they are expected to turn out in large numbers for the election, in which Iraqis will choose a 275-member National Assembly that will appoint a new government and draft a permanent constitution.

Shiites form about 60 percent of Iraq’s 26 million population, and their candidates are expected to win most of the assembly seats. Many Sunni Arabs fear the loss of power they enjoyed under Saddam Hussein. Sunni clerics have called for a boycott, and U.S. officials fear a low Sunni turnout may cast doubt on the legitimacy of the new government.

[optonline.net/media/image/ARTICLE_GRAPHICS_BAG11101171337.jpg](javascript:void(0)😉 On Monday, police discovered a car loaded with explosives in the Shiite holy city of Karbala. On Sunday, a total of 17 people were killed in attacks along the main highway from Baghdad to Kut, 160 kilometers (100 miles) to the southeast.
 
Byz

Yes you are correct, this was reported by St Pius X, as it appears as if they are the only ones concerned about the desecration, and people as yourself just look the other way and could care less. The Vatican, in its push for the One World Religion in the name of Ecumenism will give or sell out anything it seems to push forward this agenda, which, I understand now is the Pope’s message on the Year of the Eucharist, nothing to do with Roman Catholics, but to bring all religions together. It is only the Traditionals who seem to have the guts to stand up for any desecration or heresy that goes on in the church, and there are many on this board, like yourself, who I would assume are not Roman Catholic and would love nothing more for Rome to be weaker, and Ecumenism to flourish, which will eventually just fall over as the great society programs and all liberalism eventually does
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ByzCath:
All Catholic Churches are open to everyone.

They do not ask you for proof that your a Catholic before they let you into any Catholic Church.

The so-called “desecration” that took place at fatima was not what it is being reported as. Only one group is reporting that and they are schimatic.

This whole this is much ado about nothing. No change in what the Church teaches here. It is just a group of schismatics who live to criticize the legitimate Church.
 
I do not think the Vat II church has gone far enough, frankly. I await the day that the NOM complete with Easter homily, is done in Hindu, Buddist, Muslim and other pagan brothers’ temples. Kinda of a “minister exchange” program. I expect any day now , for JPII to receve such an invitation.
After all, we all worship the the same goddd, and there are so many elements of truth in all religions. We all search for the truth, as GS says:
*Gaudium et Spes §1,6,l6
*No.1 : This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him. Nevertheless, many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside its visible confines.
Code:
                   **No.6**. The Moslems together *with us* adore the one merciful God.
No. 16. In a wonderful manner conscience reveals that law which is fulfilled by love of God and neighbor. In fidelity to conscience, Christians (catholic church included) are joined with the rest of men in the search for truth, and for the genuine solution to the numerous problems which arise in the life of individuals from social relationships.
So, let us gather together, bread, wine, vegetables, fruits and nuts, at one table. (check your “shriners” go-carts, crucifix and swords at the door.)
 
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