No saints in particular (that I’ve heard) just of the issue in general. Some (on both sides of orthodoxy) say it is, some say it’s not. I never really concerned myself with the issue until recently but have been busy studying other areas of the Faith that this particular issue was put on hold. Any references anybody has to offer would be a help, either way.
The only thing I really don’t like about the CCC (I still study it
) is that it isn’t always clear on what is binding and what isn’t. If you have any other reference on the issue I’d be greatful.Can I suggest reading this work of Fr. Faber:No saints in particular (that I’ve heard) just of the issue in general. Some (on both sides of orthodoxy) say it is, some say it’s not. I never really concerned myself with the issue until recently but have been busy studying other areas of the Faith that this particular issue was put on hold. Any references anybody has to offer would be a help, either way.
You seem to have a point here. I don’t think there are any set rules. Honorary Doctorates are awarded for all sorts of reasons. I think that is the case with Drs. of the Church. It is hard to argue that the thirty three have not contributed great things to the Church. Yet, I don’t think there is any set criterion for declaring someone to be a Dr. There are also many who are not Drs. that would ajudge to have contributed as much or more to the Church than some on the list. St. Benedict of Nursia comes to mind. What of St. Francis of Assisi? Or Pope Gregory VII? Or Pope Pius IX? Still the thirty three are certainly great examples for all of us.
There are certain criteria, although I’m a bit hazy on this, the amount and nature of the spiritual writings left behind by the Doctors is one factor.
Yet another reason not to give credence to SSPX. Until they rejoin the Church they will be nothing more than a neo protestant sect. I am often dumbfounded when people rejoice at how traditional and Catholic SSPX are. They have left the Church. They may look on the outside to be traditional and Catholic, as long as they are not part of the Church they are as misguided as any evangelical/protestant church. They are lost and we should all pray for them to return home.
That is true. Yet it doesn’t have anything to do with the poll.Yet another reason not to give credence to SSPX. Until they rejoin the Church they will be nothing more than a neo protestant sect. I am often dumbfounded when people rejoice at how traditional and Catholic SSPX are. They have left the Church. They may look on the outside to be traditional and Catholic, as long as they are not part of the Church they are as misguided as any evangelical/protestant church. They are lost and we should all pray for them to return home.
Since the pollster asked us to state why we agree/disagree with Williamson, it’s quite relevant to point out that W is in schism and excommunicated as reason enough for one’s disagreement.
TC - I voted “Yes” since that is the teaching of the RC Church. My opinion on the subject needs no more formation than that fact.i wanted to see what everyone’s opinion on this is because of the hot topic on CAF here about sspx bishop williamson’s attitude towards it is. so here goes, cast your vote and feel free to comment, but please, keep it charitable
yup, agreed. i also voted yes. i cannot agree with williamson. why? because he is not in communion with rome and he is also excommunicated as well.
The same may be asked of those opposing the Traditional Latin Mass.
well, iam not one of those people. not by a long shot.
Nor am I. Those who “oppose” the idea of the TLM remind me of those who opposed the change to the Mass in the vernacular; but in both cases, most register their un-ease within the confines of the Church and union with Rome. sspx is altogether different, having chosen schism.
The SSPX bishops were excommunicated for being ordained against the Pope’s wishes, not for their teachings, which are nothing but Catholic. Why is so much credence given to Luther but none to Lefebvre? We’re not encouraged to pray for the return of the Orthodox or the Protestants but we have to pray for the SSPX to unite? (not that they left) What kind of hypocrisy is that?!Yet another reason not to give credence to SSPX. Until they rejoin the Church they will be nothing more than a neo protestant sect. I am often dumbfounded when people rejoice at how traditional and Catholic SSPX are. They have left the Church. They may look on the outside to be traditional and Catholic, as long as they are not part of the Church they are as misguided as any evangelical/protestant church. They are lost and we should all pray for them to return home.
For almost as long as I can remember, we Roman Catholics have been praying for Christian unity and that includes the Lutherans.
While they have not published any heretical material, thier actions are against the Catholic Church. They are on par with the Orthodox and should be prayed for. Those of the SSPX who remained in the Church are called FSSP.