Should females not wear pants?

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batteddy said:
Yes, I was hearing about this the other day from my latin teacher. They found pants barbaric and even effeminate. So I wouldn’t get too caught up in an absolutism of modesty.
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Can you send me the source of your quote?

Thank you all by the way.

My name is a form of Jean D’Arc. It was the only form I found that exists and was not taken already by users in this forum.

I have come to see that this is in fact a personal choice where the attitude is what counts. Sort of like the decision to wear a mantilla.
 
Brennan_Doherty said:
P.S.S. I just noticed that the main site for the link above is sedevacantist. Sorry. However, the article is still good as Cardinal Siri was a genuine Cardinal of Genoa in Italy. If you google it there are a number of sites that carry the article as well.
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It is not sedevacantist. Look again.
 
gorman64 said:
It is not sedevacantist. Look again.
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Hi gorman64. I called them sedevacantist because of this quote on their main web page:

We announce to you a great joy! The Catholic Church Has Elected Pope Pius XIII October 24, 1998.

However, I think you are right, as technically they no longer believe the chair of Peter is vacant. So I suppose they’d be schismatic then (as I don’t believe Pius XIII is actually the real pope 😉 )?
 
Should females not wear pants?

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Goodness yes wear pants… Have some modesty!!..

This is a Catholic Forum ya know!
 
I think that women should wear dresses or skirts. When women wear pants they are dressing like men. Women should not dress like men. Women wearing pants represents an attack on the order established by God. Today, the problem of women wearing men’s clothing is universal. It is destroying the natural order of society. In my humble opinion, women wearing men’s clothing is one of the biggest problems in today’s western societies. 100 years ago, everything was much more pleasant because women dressed like women and the natural order of society was maintained.

This is just my opinion and you all are free to disagree.
 
Since there is a similar thread in Moral Theology, which addresses the moral side of the question, I would ask for responses on a purely cultural part of the question. Since the OP is very general and the other thread addresses modesty, I pose the specific question of whether pants are men’s clothing.

Are pants a masculine garment?
Skirts and dresses are feminine garments (kilts are not skirts, as albs are not dresses). If pants are not masculine, are there any masculine garments?

I, of course, understand that clothes are just clothes, and that they cannot inherently belong to one sex. However, true culture assigns fashions for each sex as it assigns words for each sex. Fashions are created by man, not God, however, I do not think we can just think differently one day and totally redefine the fashion of a particular sex. It develops naturally.
G.K. Chesteron, Orthodoxy
Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be walking about.
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Three things I want to mention-
  1. You stole my thread! Just kidding~ I’m glad more people are interested in thinking about this :hmmm:
  2. For those who think wearing skirts is impractical~ they are actually very comfortable! More so than pants. And in fact, if you wear long underwear, and a nice long coat, they are WARMER than pants. More opportunities for layers.
You can do a lots of things in skirts (of the right length and material.) But I do wear pants to exercise (at an all female gym though.)

The fashion industry should make some sort of alternative for women to wearing pants (/trousers) while doing something like riding a motorcycle. Haven’t figured that one out yet.
  1. Men are dressing and becoming more feminine in secular culture. Hence the dawn of “metrosexual.” I was watching a movie with Brad Pitt in it and I realized that he was wearing a coat that looked very feminine. He also had highlights. (The movie was Ocean’s 12 for anyone who was interested.) The book Porn Generation touches on this a little bit- the feminization of men in secular culture.
Porn Generation by Ben Shapiro
 
cue said:
Are pants a masculine garment?
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No.

There are certain styles of pants that I think are more masculine (such as work pants and overalls). However, overall, I view pants as a gender neutral clothing item. There are some pants that are distinctly feminine (such as flowing pants or embellished ones) that would cause me to seriously question the masculinity of any man who wore them.

Are there any masculine garments? I would consider tuxedos, sports jackets, ties and hats such as fedoras and top hats as masculine garments.
 
maryalene said:
There are certain styles of pants that I think are more masculine (such as work pants and overalls). However, overall, I view pants as a gender neutral clothing item. There are some pants that are distinctly feminine (such as flowing pants or embellished ones) that would cause me to seriously question the masculinity of any man who wore them.

Are there any masculine garments? I would consider tuxedos, sports jackets, ties and hats such as fedoras and top hats as masculine garments.
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I am not asking if some pants merely look feminine or are marketed to women, but are pants, apart from styles, cuts, etc, a masculine garment as they certainly had been up through the last fifty years.
The other clothing items could not be masculine if you believe that pants are neutral because jackets, ties, etc. were not considered masculine (or as masculine) as pants were.
 
aspawloski4th said:
women can wear pants, but men cant wear skirts , just annother double standard.
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Um, my hubby wears his kilt on occasion:D
The vietnamese wear similar costumes for men and wemon.
I believe that the way a person reveals his anatomy is more offensive than what he or she may be wearing to reveal it.
As long as clothes conceal rather than reveal…i.e…are modest… they should not be a matter for scruples.
 
cue said:
I am not asking if some pants merely look feminine or are marketed to women, but are pants, apart from styles, cuts, etc, a masculine garment as they certainly had been up through the last fifty years.
The other clothing items could not be masculine if you believe that pants are neutral because jackets, ties, etc. were not considered masculine (or as masculine) as pants were.
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Pants may have at one time been considered a masculine garment, but that is not true throughout history. Greeks, Egyptians and I would dare say even Jesus did not wear pants. As you mentioned earlier, clothing cannot inherently belong to one gender: culture assigns those roles. We’ve gone from men wearing togas to pants so why can’t what’s culturally acceptable for women change over time as well?
 
maryalene said:
No.

There are certain styles of pants that I think are more masculine (such as work pants and overalls). However, overall, I view pants as a gender neutral clothing item. There are some pants that are distinctly feminine (such as flowing pants or embellished ones) that would cause me to seriously question the masculinity of any man who wore them.

Are there any masculine garments? I would consider tuxedos, sports jackets, ties and hats such as fedoras and top hats as masculine garments.
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Yes, pants are an inherently masculine garment just as skirts and dresses are inherently feminine. Has there been any prior culture wear women have worn pants? (I don’t know–but I don’t think so.)

And even if this has been shaped by cultural mores, we cannot simply change these mores at will.

If anyone new to this thread has not read Cardinal Siri’s Notification called “Men’s Dress Worn by Women” I invite you to do so:

olrl.org/virtues/pants.shtml
 
maryalene said:
Pants may have at one time been considered a masculine garment, but that is not true throughout history. Greeks, Egyptians and I would dare say even Jesus did not wear pants. As you mentioned earlier, clothing cannot inherently belong to one gender: culture assigns those roles. We’ve gone from men wearing togas to pants so why can’t what’s culturally acceptable for women change over time as well?
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Togas were worn about 2,000 years ago. That’s quite a long time. And even then I’ll bet there were certain modes of dress considered masculine or feminine.

Also, as Cardinal Siri mentions in the link I give above, the wearing of pants by women is tied in to the modern attempt to quash the differences between the sexes and treat women as if they really were no different than men.

Even though other cultures may have had various ways to differientiate between the sexes regarding clothing, the important point is they most likely did differentiate by clothing and it was probably not considered right or proper for women to adopt men’s clothing (and vice-versa).
 
Yes, women should not wear pants.
Women should wear nothing below the waist.

This is a silly question and a sillier discussion.

Matthew
 
drafdog said:
Yes, women should not wear pants.
Women should wear nothing below the waist.

This is a silly question and a sillier discussion.

Matthew
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The way the question is worded did give me a chuckle but it is wrong to say the topic is silly. If you think that this is a worthless arguement then just post on those threads with discussions that you think are more worthy of your time.
 
deb1 said:
The way the question is worded did give me a chuckle but it is wrong to say the topic is silly. If you think that this is a worthless arguement then just post on those threads with discussions that you think are more worthy of your time.
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You have to admit, the entire topic is very humorous to that portion of the world for whom “pants” means “underpants” 😉
 
drafdog said:
Yes, women should not wear pants.
Women should wear nothing below the waist.

This is a silly question and a sillier discussion.

Matthew
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Really? What did you think of Cardinal Siri’s arguments in the link I posted above yours? Were his arguments silly as well? Or was he just dumb?
 
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