Should gay marriage be legalised?

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I recently ran across a page on Facebook that had a poll on wether or not gay marriage should be legalized. Only 17% said no, and 83% said yes! I tried to engage in a conversation on the point but thing go heated so stopped. They obviously did not want to listen.

What I’m looking for in this thread, is to have a level headed conversation, or unheated debate on the subject. I want to know the reasons why people do or do not support gay marriage. You could call it a type of “project”.

I have put the same poll that I saw on Facebook in my thread, if you say yes gay marriage should be legal, pleas tell why you have this opinion.
I would like to see the other side of the argument.
I my self say that gay marriage should not be legalized.
Here is a link on what the catholic church teaches.

catholic.com/library/Homosexuality.asp
 
I totaly agree. As Father John Corapi said: “It was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.”
 
There is only one reason why gay marriage is wrong. Only one. Marriage is a life giving sacrament. Any one who does not see marriage as a sacrament has no valid argument against gay marriage. This is why the religious right (the majority of which are Protestant) has been so dismally unsuccessful at combating the issue of gay marriage.
 
I voted “no”, and I agree with the teachings of the RCC. I would offer this though. I think I would like to see the Govt. get out of the marriage buisness all together. Marriage would then be a matter only for religous institutions and be free of any Govt. influence, or intrusion.
Some would argue that this would reduce or eliminate the tax benefits given to married couples. I say, so be it. Anything it takes to keep the Govt. out of our lives and redefining our bedrock institutions.
 
***NO! *** Gay marriage should NOT be legalized! To legalize gay marriage would be to legalize immorality.
 
Swamp_Yankee said:
I voted “no”, and I agree with the teachings of the RCC. I would offer this though. I think I would like to see the Govt. get out of the marriage buisness all together. Marriage would then be a matter only for religous institutions and be free of any Govt. influence, or intrusion.
Some would argue that this would reduce or eliminate the tax benefits given to married couples. I say, so be it. Anything it takes to keep the Govt. out of our lives and redefining our bedrock institutions.
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I agree completely. Let’s have marriage remain sacred and keep it in the Church only.

If people wish to join in a contracted relationship without benefit of clergy, then it should be called a civil union.
 
I voted no because marriage is not a thing to be defined by law. Marriage is a religious definition of a sacrament. I agree with Marsha Adams’ statement that marriage is defined as a life giving sacrament and there can be no life giving in same sex union. Marriage is sacred and reserved for the union of man and woman only.

If this is about legal rights, than pay to Ceaser what is Ceaser’s and let the government find some other method to do this. There is no reason marriage should be redefined on account of a vast minority of non-Biblical opinion. Marriage is God’s, not Ceaser’s.
 
Marsha_Adams said:
There is only one reason why gay marriage is wrong. Only one. Marriage is a life giving sacrament. Any one who does not see marriage as a sacrament has no valid argument against gay marriage. This is why the religious right (the majority of which are Protestant) has been so dismally unsuccessful at combating the issue of gay marriage.
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This is a good point. However, it is not the only one.
An argument used by “pro gays” as I call them, is that if you “love” the person, even if **he **(in this case) is of the same sex. The thing is that this is not love. In order for it to be love, (Real and true love) it has to be three things:
*]Total
*]Faithfull
*]And fruitful.

Gay marraige fails to check out of 2 out of 3 of these.

It can’t be total and here is why:
In marriage, a man gives himself TOTALY to his wife by becoming “one flesh”.
This is done in 2 ways.
  1. physically through the use of his body in sexual intercours.
  2. At the same time he in joining himself to her spiritualy.
    No 2 males have this ability. It is impossible* for them to enter into this.
    Gay marriage cant be fruitful:
    There is no way a man can bring new life into the world with another man.
So now I ask you:
Dose that argument hold water any more.*
 
OchsFam said:
I voted no because marriage is not a thing to be defined by law. Marriage is a religious definition of a sacrament. I agree with Marsha Adams’ statement that marriage is defined as a life giving sacrament and there can be no life giving in same sex union. Marriage is sacred and reserved for the union of man and woman only.

If this is about legal rights, than pay to Ceaser what is Ceaser’s and let the government find some other method to do this. There is no reason marriage should be redefined on account of a vast minority of non-Biblical opinion. Marriage is God’s, not Ceaser’s.
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I totaly agree!
 
The thing that most homosexual couples do not want to acknowledge is that marriage is a religious institution and most religions are adamantly opposed to homosexuality.

Because marriage is something that is almost exclusively a religious pursuit, those who do not practice should not have the “right” to demand marriage ceremonies. They do not understand that this is a danger to those of us who are religious. No matter the religion. This demand for same-sex marriages is posed to undermine the sanctity of the Church, marriage, and religion. If the government allows same-sex “marriages”, Churches will soon be under the gun to allow such ceremonies or be closed down. This is something like me saying that just because I can get married I should be able to be married in a Buddhist temple, or a synagogue, or a mosque; never mind that I am Catholic and hold beliefs in direct contrast to many of theirs. If I have to respect your ability to choose a lifestyle that I disagree with, why shouldn’t you respect my ability to choose a lifestyle that disagrees with you?

Oh yeah: No it should not be legalised.
 
DancingStarCat said:
The thing that most homosexual couples do not want to acknowledge is that marriage is a religious institution and most religions are adamantly opposed to homosexuality.

Because marriage is something that is almost exclusively a religious pursuit, those who do not practice should not have the “right” to demand marriage ceremonies. They do not understand that this is a danger to those of us who are religious. No matter the religion. This demand for same-sex marriages is posed to undermine the sanctity of the Church, marriage, and religion. If the government allows same-sex “marriages”, Churches will soon be under the gun to allow such ceremonies or be closed down. This is something like me saying that just because I can get married I should be able to be married in a Buddhist temple, or a synagogue, or a mosque; never mind that I am Catholic and hold beliefs in direct contrast to many of theirs. If I have to respect your ability to choose a lifestyle that I disagree with, why shouldn’t you respect my ability to choose a lifestyle that disagrees with you?

Oh yeah: No it should not be legalised.
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I haven’t heard of problems in states that have legalized it as far as churches are concerned. I did read that the Gov. of Rhode Island put additional protections for churches in their bill

I still think the whole thing could be solved by making marriage something you ONLY can get in a Church, and civil unions would be issued for everyone else.
 
It never ceases to amaze me that Christians often behave the least Christ-like. Just as Gandhi said when asked that he found much to love about Jesus it was his followers that disturbed him.
As someone who spent many years in a benedictine institution and have seen Holy Mother Church from inside, I can assure all the persons who replied to this thread with almost 100% certainty that you have received the blessed sacrament from a gay man. Your children have been baptised, your parents buried, and your dearkest secrets and shame been related to the same persons that you wish to negate with your comments.

My comfort after reading all that you have said is that you are decidedly losing. 25 years ago I when I was a young gay man I was beaten for simply existing. In another 25 years, gayness will be no more important than being left or right handed. If one looks at the polls, those under 30 support civil rights for gays by an astounding margin. The hearts of the young are always ahead of the curve.

That being said, the church will always have the right to “marry” whomever it wishes. This fight is for SECULAR rights. Hosptial visitation, property inheritance, all the things that straight couples take for granted. When all is said and done I always keep my eye on Christ and if he should by some miracle knock on my door and my partner and I are there to greet him I truly believe that my lord would see our love for what it is and bless us.
Can you imagine a God that would see two people who have stood by each other faithfully for a lifetime in sickness and health and mutual prayer being damned?
If that is so then we will carry our hearts and hand in hand fall into darkness together. I would not want to be anywhere near that God.

P.S. Maybe while we are there we will run into the odious little man who currently wears the Papal tiara.

P.P.S Please, oh Please stop using that lame Adam and Steve joke. It is so old it creaks and everyone has heard it a thousand times. It unfortunately does not get more clever as it ages.
 
gayandcatholic said:
It never ceases to amaze me that Christians often behave the least Christ-like. Just as Gandhi said when asked that he found much to love about Jesus it was his followers that disturbed him.
As someone who spent many years in a benedictine institution and have seen Holy Mother Church from inside, I can assure all the persons who replied to this thread with almost 100% certainty that you have received the blessed sacrament from a gay man. Your children have been baptised, your parents buried, and your dearkest secrets and shame been related to the same persons that you wish to negate with your comments.

My comfort after reading all that you have said is that you are decidedly losing. 25 years ago I when I was a young gay man I was beaten for simply existing. In another 25 years, gayness will be no more important than being left or right handed. If one looks at the polls, those under 30 support civil rights for gays by an astounding margin. The hearts of the young are always ahead of the curve.

That being said, the church will always have the right to “marry” whomever it wishes. This
fight is for SECULAR rights. Hosptial visitation, property inheritance, all the things that straight couples take for granted. When all is said and done I always keep my eye on Christ and if he should by some miracle knock on my door and my partner and I are there to greet him I truly believe that my lord would see our love for what it is and bless us.
Can you imagine a God that would see two people who have stood by each other faithfully for a lifetime in sickness and health and mutual prayer being damned?
If that is so then we will carry our hearts and hand in hand fall into darkness together. I would not want to be anywhere near that God.

P.S. Maybe while we are there we will run into the odious little man who currently wears the Papal tiara.

P.P.S Please, oh Please stop using that lame Adam and Steve joke. It is so old it creaks and everyone has heard it a thousand times. It unfortunately does not get more clever as it ages.
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I don’t condem anyone. I’m sorry if I gave that impression. I wouldn’t mind even having a gay friend so long as he kept himself to himself. Gays can be some of the best people out there. What I do not agree with is in gay marriage being legalized. You can be gay, there is nothing wrong with being gay. What is wrong is that a gay marriage gose against the laws of life and (sorry but it dose) love. As I said before, for marriage to contain true love it must be fruitful. Gay marraige can’t.

And as much as you hate the “adam and steve” joke, you must see the trueth in it.
If God had created us to be with the same sex, don’t you think it would have been adam and steve and not adam and eve?
 
mkingdomlvr said:
I still think the whole thing could be solved by making marriage something you ONLY can get in a Church, and civil unions would be issued for everyone else.
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I think that is a terrible idea. Not only will it help foster more devaluation of marriage within society, but the law is a teacher. If the law claims any so-called union is legitimate in the eyes of the state that sends a very bad message.
 
Civic laws do not always coincide with moral laws. Abortion is another such divergence. IF the Federal or State govenment wants to condone gay marriages that is up to them. I just don’t want to see any move towards forcing the Catholic Church or any other denomination to agree that it is okay or that we have to allow gay ceremoniesin our churches.

The sacrament of marriage was established between a man and a woman, NOT for two men or two women.

Under the guise of discrimination, I can just see some gay rights groups pushing to force one Church or another to confer the sacrament for them. If a state or the Federal government were to force this issue, it would clearly be a violation of the separation from Chruch and state principle.

The government may license or establish anything it wants between whomever it wants, but it has no right to force anyone to agree that something is either immoral or not.
 
gayandcatholic said:
As someone who spent many years in a benedictine institution and have seen Holy Mother Church from inside, I can assure all the persons who replied to this thread with almost 100% certainty that you have received the blessed sacrament from a gay man. Your children have been baptised, your parents buried, and your dearkest secrets and shame been related to the same persons that you wish to negate with your comments.
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I do not think that anyone here has posted against gay people, but gay marriage. If you do no see the tremendous difference between a gay priest and a gay marriage, then I do not think anything can be said. It is not the gay attitude people are generally against here, it is the gay lifestyle. The priest is not living a gay lifestyle, he saw it as a calling.
gayandcatholic said:
My comfort after reading all that you have said is that you are decidedly losing. 25 years ago I when I was a young gay man I was beaten for simply existing. In another 25 years, gayness will be no more important than being left or right handed. If one looks at the polls, those under 30 support civil rights for gays by an astounding margin. The hearts of the young are always ahead of the curve.
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I am deeply sorry for the wrong committed against you, as with anything, two wrongs do not make a right. I will not discuss the support you claim as this is not the time or place, but if popular trend is meant to support correct thinking, there are things that are popular and supported now that are most definitely not acceptable by any standard.
gayandcatholic said:
That being said, the church will always have the right to “marry” whomever it wishes. This fight is for SECULAR rights. Hosptial visitation, property inheritance, all the things that straight couples take for granted.
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I hope and pray you are right, that this remains secular. It does not change my opinion that there can be a government solution that does not attempt to redefine marriage. Again, marriage is not the government’s or secular society’s to work with.
gayandcatholic said:
When all is said and done I always keep my eye on Christ and if he should by some miracle knock on my door and my partner and I are there to greet him I truly believe that my lord would see our love for what it is and bless us.
Can you imagine a God that would see two people who have stood by each other faithfully for a lifetime in sickness and health and mutual prayer being damned?
If that is so then we will carry our hearts and hand in hand fall into darkness together. I would not want to be anywhere near that God.
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God does love you just as all of us here love you. We are all sinning in one way or another and God is just in punishing us for our sins. It does not mean we should continue to sin and hope that God’s love trumps his justice. I have my vices and my short comings that I continually struggle with every day. I cannot imagine what it is like to be gay, but we do all have our crosses to bear. Yours is more public than most and so you feel the brunt of a very heavy cross. It does not change the teachings of God and Christ that are put forth in the Bible and by the Church.
gayandcatholic said:
P.S. Maybe while we are there we will run into the odious little man who currently wears the Papal tiara.
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Did you say you were Catholic? I question your motives and authenticity for being Catholic if you can make a comment like this.

I pray for you and for society in general that a true understanding of God’s plan may be made clear. I believe being gay may be a gift from God and a calling to a celibate, priestly lifestyle or the vocation of monk or nun. I cannot know God’s plan for everything, but this is how I feel. There is understanding of God’s plan in everything around us and everyone is a gift, gay or straight. It does not change what marriage is and should be according to God’s Word and I still believe a government answer should be found without demoralizing the sacrament of marriage.

God Bless.
 
Marsha_Adams said:
There is only one reason why gay marriage is wrong. Only one. Marriage is a life giving sacrament. Any one who does not see marriage as a sacrament has no valid argument against gay marriage. This is why the religious right (the majority of which are Protestant) has been so dismally unsuccessful at combating the issue of gay marriage.
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How do you come to this conclusion? Marriage is a natural institiution that predates the Church. Even non sacramental marriages may be valid as the Church teaches.
 
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