Should homosexual acts be illegal from a Catholic & Government perspective?

[Fairwinds]

Well that is not quite like that. While a guilty confession can be very helpful for a prosecutor it doesn’t work like I confessed and now I can be convicted. There are many evidentiary rules that have to be followed in order to make a confession admissible in Court and I can tell you right now cops are the worst following rules so many confessions end up excluded from Courts thanks to Cops. Second in order to be convicted the prosecutor has the burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt which is quite a hard standard to meet especially when we are talking about “moral issues.” And many times.prosecuting these things is not worthwhile for the State because it becomes too expensive and complicated. The best example is adultery which is a crime in MA. While is a crime nobody wants to prosecute adultery because because meeting the standard is so difficult is more of a burden in the end.

I think the position was that someone who came out on, for example, ESPN, and admitted “to doing anal sex” should be arrested and that this statement was sufficient (i.e., no other evidence) to get a conviction. the confession would have to cover all of the elements of the crime, but I’ll defer discussing those on this forum. obvious defenses: I lied, it was a joke, I was taunting the government, it was an accident, etc.

the government wouldn’t prosecute and there isn’t a defense counsel in the country who couldn’t get a court to dismiss the charges if that’s all the evidence.

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[Do_Good_Then_Go]

I never said anything about trying to change “sexual orientation”. Please read my post. Notice that I said I wouldn’t be against making sodomy illegal for everyone “gay” or straight. Why do you believe that it would not be possible to have a relationship that doesn’t include sodomy?

But that’s the opposite of what I said. I said that people* would* still want to form relationships, and would still do so. Of course it’s possible to have a relationship, same sex or not, that doesn’t include sodomy.

 

[Julianna]

Can someone clue me in on why so many Catholics on this board use “scare quotes” around the word ‘gay’?

Good question. Hope it gets answered.

 

[Julianna]

I never said anything about trying to change “sexual orientation”. Please read my post. Notice that I said I wouldn’t be against making sodomy illegal for everyone “gay” or straight. Why do you believe that it would not be possible to have a relationship that doesn’t include sodomy?

Ok, gotcha, so how would you go about “catching”, “booking” and locking up folks? Usually, ideas come with a solutional thought process.

 

[Fairwinds]

Ok, gotcha, so how would you go about “catching”, “booking” and locking up folks? Usually, ideas come with a solutional thought process.

this is obvious. the police would use a peeping tom snitch to get a search warrant to install mics and cameras, or an arrest warrant. then a strike team to bust down the front door then bedroom door to make the arrests, then a CSI to gather evidence, then a third degree interrogation to rule out “mistakes”. followed by trial, conviction and hard labor in the gulag.

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[Julianna]

this is obvious. the police would use a peeping tom snitch to get a search warrant to install mics and cameras, or an arrest warrant. then a strike team to bust down the front door then bedroom door to make the arrests, then a CSI to gather evidence, then a third degree interrogation to rule out “mistakes”. followed by trial, conviction and hard labor in the gulag.

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yeah, that was my thinking, but I think the OP should also have a chance to answer.

Any idea on the cost to the community for this type of prosecution? Sounds like the Patriot Act on steroids.

 

[livingwordunity]

I never said anything about trying to change “sexual orientation”. Please read my post. Notice that I said I wouldn’t be against making sodomy illegal for everyone “gay” or straight. Why do you believe that it would not be possible to have a relationship that doesn’t include sodomy?

Ok, gotcha, so how would you go about “catching”, “booking” and locking up folks? Usually, ideas come with a solutional thought process.

Simple, arrest anyone, “gay” or straight, who publicly admits to doing anal sex. Punishment equality.

 

[Julianna]

Simple, arrest anyone, “gay” or straight, who publicly admits to doing anal sex. Punishment equality.

yeah that will go over well, like all the people who admit publicly that they cheat on the taxes.

Does this include married hetero couples as well?

 

[livingwordunity]

yeah that will go over well, like all the people who admit publicly that they cheat on the taxes.

Does this include married hetero couples as well?

I said “gay or straight”. So yes, it would include a requirement for heterosexuals to abstain from sodomy. As I’ve never participated in any act of sodomy, I wouldn’t have a problem with avoiding it. And if no one wants to admit to committing acts of sodomy all the better for people to keep their sex life private as it should be anyway.

 

[Fairwinds]

yeah, that was my thinking, but I think the OP should also have a chance to answer.

Any idea on the cost to the community for this type of prosecution? Sounds like the Patriot Act on steroids.

its hard to quantify, its akin to asking the fantasy question, "how expensive would it be to fight off godzilla?’

depends on how motivated the government is to prosecute these crimes – in real life, probably none at all. the cost is better stated this way: the OP would divert police and court resources from investigating and prosecuting crimes with actual victims or crimes with high priorities. in reality things would revert to how they were just before the act was decriminalized: something for prosecutors to pile onto other, more important charges.

further, I think juries would be too disgusted with the law to convict anyone of this crime if it were being used as a morals charge. if the defense bar is smart (and it is) every case will be a jury trial.

someone made a suggestion that a statement that one is gay, as in the recent statement by the NBA player, would be enough to convict, but that’s not true.

can’t really be more specific until I see more.

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[ngill09]

Simple, arrest anyone, “gay” or straight, who publicly admits to doing anal sex. Punishment equality.

Don’t forget oral sex. That’s just as sinful.

 

[Fairwinds]

I said “gay or straight”. So yes, it would include a requirement for heterosexuals to abstain from sodomy. As I’ve never participated in any act of sodomy, I wouldn’t have a problem with avoiding it. And if no one wants to admit to committing acts of sodomy all the better for people to keep their sex life private as it should be anyway.

except you are interested enough in the act and who’s doing it to want to prosecute people.

 

[livingwordunity]

Don’t forget oral sex. That’s just as sinful.

I wouldn’t be upset if someone told me I couldn’t do that either.

 

[Do_Good_Then_Go]

I said “gay or straight”. So yes, it would include a requirement for heterosexuals to abstain from sodomy. As I’ve never participated in any act of sodomy, I wouldn’t have a problem with avoiding it. And if no one wants to admit to committing acts of sodomy all the better for people to keep their sex life private as it should be anyway.

I think we’d all agree that people should keep their sex lives private, and most people do keep their sex lives private.

 

[livingwordunity]

I think we’d all agree that people should keep their sex lives private, and most people do keep their sex lives private.

Not the “gay” activists.

 

[joe_x_believer]

no no no it is natural and if u believe it is not for a homosexual person u r a brainwashed person do u think eatin is a sin it is a natural thing

think on this did joseph ever get an erection did mary the virgin have a vagina sex is a natural act be it homo or hetro do u deny science is the earth flat should cardinal law be in jail
education is awesome try it

 

[Do_Good_Then_Go]

Not the “gay” activists.

What do you mean? Who are the gay activists?

I don’t know any gay people who talk about their sex lives. Talk about their job yes, talk about their partner yes, talk about how to pay the bills yes, talk about the latest political controversy yes, talk about the movie they saw last weekend yes, talk about their annoying brother-in-law yes, talk about what they’re having for dinner tonight yes, talk about their sex life no.

 

[Julianna]

I said “gay or straight”. So yes, it would include a requirement for heterosexuals to abstain from sodomy. As I’ve never participated in any act of sodomy, I wouldn’t have a problem with avoiding it. And if no one wants to admit to committing acts of sodomy** all the better for people to keep their sex life private** as it should be anyway.

yes, something I can totally agree with

So the point of this thread is?..

there isn’t one…

everyone mind their own business and keep their peepersnpatrol: out of other peoples sex life.

 

[WingsOfEagles]

No, I think that causes issues too. Are we also to make it illegal for a woman to have premarital sex, stoning her if she becomes pregnant out of wedlock? What about men/women committing adultery? How about if someone is caught sinning with oneself?

 

[livingwordunity]

What do you mean? Who are the gay activists?

And this isn’t the worst of it. The worst of “gay” activist protesting is too obscene to post here.

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