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Julianna
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exactly!!
Should homosexual acts be illegal from a Catholic & Government perspective?
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Offdoodykcrn
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To break down the barrier between church and state would be a grievous error.
It is true that many of our laws coincide with laws in the Bible, Torah, and Koran - but these laws are something that society agrees are necessary for peaceful coexistence. If we make laws simply on the basis of ‘God says so’, we risk the chance that a religion other than our own will gain power.
Just as some Christians may view homosexuality as a sin, what people do in the privacy of their own homes does not infringe on the liberty of others. If homosexual acts are illegal, what is to stop making bacon illegal, or hijabs mandatory for women in public? Both Jews and Muslims believe pork and shellfish to be ‘unclean’, but does eating them infringe on the liberty of others? Of course not. Some people claim that homosexuality - even talking about it, may influence their children. You have the right to teach your children what you believe to be right and wrong, but you do not have the right to impose your morals on everyone else. This is the type of thinking that leads toward stoning women that allow an ankle to be exposed from under their burka.
The United States was founded on freedom of speech and religion - every religion. Be thankful you have the right to attend the church of your choice, and show it through keeping church and state separate.
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Fairwinds
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I could tell you but then, you know…I hear ya.l…it made me laugh. Great post!
I would love to know who is watching and who is going to report it.
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fix
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I was not intending the topic of this thread with my remarks and that is why I mentioned a rabbit hole. There are other signs of intolerance and persecution in this culture.
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Up until 10 years ago sodomy was illegal in many states. Where was bacon illegal?
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Offdoodykcrn
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Are you saying that because ‘some states’ used to punish acts of sodomy - that makes it just? Does it matter if those acts of sodomy are between a married man and woman? I point out that I use the English definition of the word - as some people on this forum seem to have a special Catholic dictionary that differs from Websters.
‘Sodomy’ is defined as anal or oral copulation. It is my understanding that the Catholic Church does not condemn these acts between a husband and wife, as long as it leads to traditional coitus that might result in pregnancy. Islamic law defines sodomy as anything outside the bonds of marriage, Germans, Polish and Norwegians define it as bestiality. Other cultures use sodomy to describe rape - regardless of how the act was performed.
If your reason for wanting homosexuality to be made illegal is because your religion views it as a sin, are you unable to see the dangers of making other laws based solely on religion? I don’t know if bacon is illegal anywhere, but other religions do deem it as ‘unclean’. Countries that keep to Shariah (Islamic law) have outlawed women to be educated, allowed to drive or deviate from a strict dress code - all because they believe it to be the will of God.
Surely, you are not so obtuse that you are unable to see the connection. I may not agree with your opinions, but I don’t think you’re stupid.
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1AugustSon7
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I disagree completely. You are granting prematurely an unproven premiss; namely, that SSA is biological and not, e.g., strictly psychological (which is the opinion, e.g., of the Catechism). The latter, having to do with our thoughts, may or may not include moral culpability. We are not to entertain sinful thoughts. It per force leads to evil habits and vitiates our will power and character. It is degrading. To entertain the thought of homosexual activity is to entertain a crime. Moreover, an individual can victimize themselves and two individuals can voluntarily victimize each other: homosexuality is not a so-called “victimless crime”. Homosexuality is in the first instance a crime against one self and a crime against the sanctity or goodness of the human mind: well before it is acted upon with another it is inherently criminal insomuch as it is deeply and intriniscally lawless. It is a revolt against nature: not merely biologically but psychologically too: I mean the validty of the human mind, which is designed to seek out, contemplate and entertain the truth. Deliberately entertaining sinful thoughts -especially those so plainly contrary to nature and simple reason- will lead to spiritual blindness or darkness.
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SuperLuigi
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The strict interpretation of the Constitution allows for the states to decide that issue under the plenary powers clause.
The Church has been careful when making sins illegal because it is wary about direct involvement in politics.
Unfortunately, today in the USA a lot of legislating is done by the judicial branch, particularly on the marriage issue.
That is certainly against the Constitution.
If we allowed the states to decide, what would happen eventually is that there would tangible evidence that homosexual relationships are not beneficial for children and therefore should not be subsidized.
By the same token, I don’t think banning that behaviour is a good idea either, not because it’s right but because it gives more power to the state. That would be my opinion and I cannot speak for Church authority on that.
But I do know that in some cases when you tell people they can’t do something (Prohibition), the opposite occurs.
That’s why having 50 different states experimenting as “laboratories of democracies” can work wonders, because people will experience the results firsthand and for themselves.
But we won’t have that if the federal government or judiciary keeps stepping out of bounds.
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SuperLuigi
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I won’t report it, and I agree with it to some extent, but I think the both of you should not receive Communion if you support so-called “gay marriage”.
I would love to know who is watching and who is going to report it.
There is no humour in that.
God Bless.
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There nothing unjust about? Why would you think such? Surely you cannot be so unprincipled that you fail to see unnatural perverse acts do not promote the common good and corrupt society.
Now you claimed if these laws exist then bacon would be illegal too. I asked when this happend?
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Fairwinds
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I said I don’t support the government using peeping tom snitches. do you?
if you do, maybe you should reconsider who you tell not to Receive.
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Offdoodykcrn
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I disagree. The legislature passes the laws and the judiciary can only affect them if they are determined to be contrary to the constitution, which is then subject to appeal. Whether one agrees with SSM or not, one thing is certain: the concept of marriage does not belong to any particular group. Catholics get to define marriage within their church. They do not get to dictate their values and definitions to Jews, Muslims or Unitarians. If one of these groups wants to embrace homosexual marriage, they are at liberty to do so. Catholics can relax in the assurance of liberty that no one in the USA will require them to perform SSM.
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Fairwinds
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that’s very well said.
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Offdoodykcrn
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I dare you to diagram your first sentence. This is a nod to my superb Catholic education. I didn’t say I thought laws against homosexuality were just or unjust. I simply point out that the way our government is designed, no religion is allowed to dictate its values on the rest of society - and I’m very glad of that fact. I would not want to live in a country like Iran, where Sharia law would severely curb my liberty solely because of my gender. I thank God that I was fortunate enough to be born in a country where I get to choose my religion.
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Fairwinds
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you’re in favor of suppressing sodomy. how do you propose prosecuting married couples who practice this in their bedroom?
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Offdoodykcrn
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If we are replying with images…
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Julianna
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I am so glad you know what it in my heart…what is the point of God knowing then?
Yes, I think it’s funny.
Church and state are separate for a reason, and this is a great example.
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Julianna
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On point!
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Julianna
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