Should homosexual behaviour be criminalised?

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Prodigal_Son said:
Ummmm, where in the 10 commandments does it say that raping people is wrong? I assure you, the 10 commandments are not supposed to be comprehensive.
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Thou shalt not commit adultery. I think that would cover rape. And if you really think about it, most sins ARE covered in the 10 Commandments.

And I assure you, I am Catholic. I am just not a know it all like so many of the people here seem to think they are. 👍
 
Chizzywinks said:
Thou shalt not commit adultery. I think that would cover rape. And if you really think about it, most sins ARE covered in the 10 Commandments.
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I don’t see the similarity between adultery and rape. Adultery is, literally, a person married having sex with someone other than their spouse. Rape is someone having coerced or involuntary sex with anyone, including his spouse. The two things are miles apart.

But you are right that, traditionally, Jews and Catholics have said that the 6th commandment forbids all sexual immorality. Rape is clearly sexually immoral, so – we might infer – it forbids rape. But then, IF sodomy between men is sexually immoral, it should be covered under the 6th commandment too. If sodomy is not sexually immoral, it wouldn’t fall under the 6th commandment.

Either way, your claim that sodomy is not forbidden in the 10 Commandments does not help – it just reduces to your opinion that sodomy is not wrong. And I’m not criticizing that opinion (though I don’t personally agree with you). I’m just saying that your appeal to the 10 commandments doesn’t support your position.

I don’t know if sodomy is wrong, but as a sinner with same-sex attraction, I’ve unfortunately looked at a number of examples of sexual activity between men. And, frankly, the sexual acts themselves just don’t seem very loving. Gay people can have beautiful and life-giving relationships with each other, but I don’t think the sexual acts they participate in manifest that love and beauty. 🤷
And I assure you, I am Catholic. I am just not a know it all like so many of the people here seem to think they are. 👍
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I did not deny you were Catholic, that was someone else. And I assure you I do not “know it all”. 👍
 
I know you didn’t say it, I just threw it in as a response to the person who did 🙂
 
Brendan_64 said:
But a homily is not meant to be a two-way discussion. It is meant to be a sermon, a lecture, an explanation of the Gospel. The homily is not an opportunity to debate and discuss with the priest. Discussion and debate is best saved for a Bible study group, or over a cup of Coffee after Mass.
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Oops, I misunderstood. I was thinking of priests that tend to wander closer to the people and speaks in a more informal way which to me feels more like a conversation rather than a lecture. I like both styles though as long as they are relevant. I’m lucky that we have a few priests in my parish that give very good homilies in very differnt styles.
 
There are much more important things to worry about then what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home. I personally think we should pay more focus on stopping abortions and what humanity is doing to the environment. That affects the lives of us all collectively.
 
Prodigal_Son said:
Um, oral sex to orgasm is an mortal sin. There goes 60% of the population, off to jail.

And masturbation is a mortal sin. There goes 30% more.

So the 10 remaining percent can live in a holy land of venial sins, if they can figure out how to fund the prison system. :rolleyes:
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Where did you get those percentages?
 
domandcarols said:
Where did you get those percentages?
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The top of my head. I guarantee more than 50% of adult Americans have performed or received oral sex to orgasm. It is extremely common. The masturbation number may be inflated, but not by much. Every close friend I’ve ever had struggled at some point with masturbation, and most of my close friends appear externally to be some of the holiest people you’ve ever met.
 
CutlerB said:
Or to phrase it differently: “Was it good that homosexual behaviour used to be a criminal offence?”

Does the Church have a position on this? What is yours and why?
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The Pope was clear on his position that gays should be accepted and the church should welcome back which doesn’t leave much room from criminalizing gays. I am with the Pope.

Tell me, are you from Africa or a Muslim country? You would probably get more yes answers if you asked them.
 
Prodigal_Son said:
The top of my head. I guarantee more than 50% of adult Americans have performed or received oral sex to orgasm. It is extremely common. The masturbation number may be inflated, but not by much. Every close friend I’ve ever had struggled at some point with masturbation, and most of my close friends appear externally to be some of the holiest people you’ve ever met.
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Wow. I could believe the masturbation figure but not other one.
 
cshuvani92 said:
There are much more important things to worry about then what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home. I personally think we should pay more focus on stopping abortions and what humanity is doing to the environment. That affects the lives of us all collectively.
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I agree 1000%!!!
 
And again, forgive my stupidity, but can someone explain WHY oral sex is a sin?:confused:
 
Because you can’t procreate that way. Any sexual activity that does not involve an attempt to procreate is a “sin”.
 
cshuvani92 said:
Because you can’t procreate that way. Any sexual activity that does not involve an attempt to procreate is a “sin”.
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Hmmm…ok, so then I guess I should not be having sex with my husband, as I am post menopausal and cannot have anymore kids. Interesting.

I suppose that also means elderly couples should no longer enjoy each other sexually…
 
The Bible does not say what is or isn’t allowed, sexually, in a marriage. So please, I would like to read the exact phrase in the Bible that stipulates this.
 
cshuvani92 said:
Because you can’t procreate that way. Any sexual activity that does not involve an attempt to procreate is a “sin”.
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This is absolutely incorrect in every way. Ejaculation must happen inside the vagina. Outside of that, all sexual activity both before and after ejaculation (including any further stimulation, whether manual, oral, or otherwise performed for the purpose of the wife to reach orgasm) is licit, as long as it is done between two validly married individuals, is performed with consent from both spouses, and the sexual activity does not, in any way, degrade the integrity of either spouse.
 
SMGS127 said:
This is absolutely incorrect in every way. Ejaculation must happen inside the vagina. Outside of that, all sexual activity both before and after ejaculation (including any further stimulation, whether manual, oral, or otherwise performed for the purpose of the wife to reach orgasm) is licit, as long as it is done between two validly married individuals, is performed with consent from both spouses, and the sexual activity does not, in any way, degrade the integrity of either spouse.
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Why does ejaculation have to occur in the vagina? If it is because of procreation, then again, I ask, why should it matter if the couple is incapable of having children?
 
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