Should I attend my son's wedding?

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Don’t do it! You can’t ignore yourself. 😉

Seriously, the “ignore” feature doesn’t work for me, because I can’t help but open up the post and read it anyway. If it made them completely invisible, that would be different.
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Humor is such a salve for the soul. Speaking of which I hope everyone remembers to pray for everyone on this thread.
 
Looks like Vern is making everybody’s list.
If “ignore” worked for me, it would not be Vern on my list Jimbo. Your posts were more petty and meanspirited than anything I saw posted by Vern on this thread.
 
and yet I’m not making everyone’s list.

But it wouldn’t bother me if I did. In my parish, because Fr. is too craven to tell the engaged couples not to use artificial contraception, he sends them to us for marriage prep and we have to do it. The dirty work always seems to fall on our sholders around here. Why should the internet be any different?
 
I must say I am shocked and saddened by those who tell you to attend your son’s wedding - especially if indeed you are fully aware that it is a sham. Marriage is a sacrament even at times between two people pretending. If this is going to actually be a commitment between these two people (three?) and they will take some sort of vows between each other, it will be in the presence of God. They don’t have to intend it to be. God will see what is going on.

Why would you condone it? The catechism teaches that it is a serious, probably mortal in most cases, sin to go along with the mortal sins of those close to us. You have had an obligation to advise your son of his wrong-doing all along.

Your relationship will, I would venture, remain exactly as it is now. The way your son has been living is sinful in so many ways - he is sinning against the commandments of our Lord and is causing scandal. You don’t have to play God to know what His rules are. But you do have to obey them and help others to also.

If you truly have a serious question about attending this activity, why are you not asking a good, Magisterium-loyal priest about it? And how on earth does his father not know this? Doesn’t he have a right to know so that perhaps he can pray if nothing else?

Our Lord is a merciful one, but He doesn’t like to be mocked. Too many sins are accepted for the sake of maintaining relationships with the sinners.

I am going to find the instruction in the Catholic Catechism about condoning sin and will try to post it here tonight.

God bless you and please do check with a true Catholic priest.

Romick
 
It took me a few minutes to find this. As I searched I saw many wonderful writings on the nature of sin and how God wants us to overcome them. He wants His love to be so great that we no longer want to sin. Hell is not predestined for any of us; Christ died just so that we might be freed of sin. But without a deep and enduring love for Christ, any of us can give in to our sinful natures.

We do have a responsibility for each other:

The Catechism of the Catholic Church:

**V. THE PROLIFERATION OF SIN **

1865 Sin creates a proclivity to sin; it engenders vice by repetition of the same acts. This results in perverse inclinations which cloud conscience and corrupt the concrete judgment of good and evil. Thus sin tends to reproduce itself and reinforce itself, but it cannot destroy the moral sense at its root.
1866 Vices can be classified according to the virtues they oppose, or also be linked to the capital sins which Christian experience has distinguished, following St. John Cassian and St. Gregory the Great. They are called “capital” because they engender other sins, other vices.[138] They are pride, avarice, envy, wrath, lust, gluttony, and sloth or acedia.
1867 The catechetical tradition also recalls that there are “sins that cry to heaven”: the blood of Abel,[139] the sin of the Sodomites,[140] the cry of the people oppressed in Egypt,[141] the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan,[142] injustice to the wage earner.[143]
**1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them: **
**- by participating directly and voluntarily in them; **
**- by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them; **
**- by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so; **
- by protecting evil-doers. 1869 Thus sin makes men accomplices of one another and causes concupiscence, violence, and injustice to reign among them. Sins give rise to social situations and institutions that are contrary to the divine goodness. “Structures of sin” are the expression and effect of personal sins. They lead their victims to do evil in their turn. In an analogous sense, they constitute a “social sin.”[144]
 
See what he said!!!

I told you, I was right!! He said that!

See…see…I was right! I was right! I told you!

Did you know what was meant?

Now do you see how childish this is?
Well, I see how childish the above statements are.
 
If “ignore” worked for me, it would not be Vern on my list Jimbo. Your posts were more petty and meanspirited than anything I saw posted by Vern on this thread.
I wouldn’t say petty and meanspiritied, but straight to the point. Jesus was the same way, He didn’t play around regarding morality. Jesus said after a few warnings of bad behavior, essentially, ignore them. St. Paul says the same thing in the Epistles, and in the early Church if somebody committed a serious sin one too many times, they were not forgiven and were excommunicated from the community.

I don’t remember who said this earlier, that attending the reception is in actuality supporting the “marriage.” A very good point that was made. So my advice, don’t go. Tell him why, tell him how much it hurts to not be able to share what should be a wonderful day, minus the sin, and only tell him this after prayer. Then unite the suffering of possibly being separated for a while from your son with the Suffering of the Virgin Mother who had to endure the pain of being separated from her Son, in obedience to God.
 
and yet I’m not making everyone’s list.

But it wouldn’t bother me if I did. In my parish, because Fr. is too craven to tell the engaged couples not to use artificial contraception, he sends them to us for marriage prep and we have to do it. The dirty work always seems to fall on our sholders around here. Why should the internet be any different?
I’m sure you do incredible work and are very special. Father is lucky to have you to do all of his dirty work. :rolleyes:

Regarding your responses directed toward the OP’s issue, I have no problem. They were reasonable points, and I had to use tough love in the situation with my brother that I mentioned. My observations were only in regards to the posts directed toward Vern personally, rather than staying on-topic.
 
Fair enough. I have a low opinion of Vern.

…and yes, I am VERY special. Thanks for noticing. 😃
 
My son is getting married in December. Despite his upbringing and Catholic school education he fell away from the Church. His relationship with his best friend (attended the same Catholic schools) and his fiance is totally morally reprehensible. They have been living a “manage a trois” for 3 years. I do not doubt that the “sharing” will continue after the civil ceremony. The best friend will be the best man at the wedding.

Listening to Catholic radio I hear situations where callers are told they cannot be the best man or maid of honor in Protestant wedding or in weddings where a Catholic is marrying outside the Church. This is because the positions of best man and maid of honor act as the official witnesses to the marriage. The callers are told that they can attend the wedding as a guest. In some situations the callers are told not to attend the wedding but that it would be OK to attend the reception.

I am totally repulsed by the life my son is living. If I do not attend in some way, however, I know I will loose all contact with my son and any future interaction to influence him to change his life to the better. (He has a will of iron.) If I attend only the reception it would look very strange to all attending, especially to my ex-husband. He does not know of his son’s lifestyle and I would have to tell him my reason for not attending the wedding ceremony.

My daughter told him months ago that she would “be busy that day”. This has brought him to tears and is upsetting him dearly. I am afraid that she is being too staunch in her stand and should at least attend the reception. Not attending in some fashion would mean a permanent split between them.

What should I do? What should my daughter do? All opinions woudl be appreciated.
This is for Shouva and Shouva only:

Before you do anything to provoke a permanent rupture with your son, remember this – those who want you to take a hard line don’t have to live with the results. They will not wake up in the wee hours of the morning, five or ten or twenty years from now wondering where their son is. They will not be wondering if they have grandchildren they have never met and who will never know them.

Now I will tell you a story. I have a friend – actually a friend of my wife – who has been divorced twice. She has children by each marriage. A few years back, she “took up with” a man of a different ethnic background and got pregnant.

Her father cut her off completely – despite the fact that her house is only about a hundred feet from her parents’ home, he would not speak to her, would not acknowledge her if he met her on the street, would not allow her or her lover in his house.

When the baby was born, a little girl, she had a hole in her heart. Her grandfather publicly said it would be better if she died. He would not visit her in the hospital, would not talk to his daughter – he shunned them completely.

One night when the little girl was about 2 1/2, she climbed out of bed and went out the front door. In the middle of the night, she toddled across to her grandparents’ house, went in and climbed up into bed with them.

You never saw such a transformation in a man! He and that little girl are inseparable now, and they love each other with an intensity that must be seen to be believed.

Don’t cut yourself off from your son. You don’t know what the future holds, and what love may come to you. Read The Confessions of Saint Augustine and model yourself after Saint Monica. Her son was just as dissolute and sinful as yours – and she saved him with love and prayer.
 
Shouva-
No one wants you to cut yourself off from your son. We are all concerned for both you and your son.

I pray that you have carefully read the thread (sorry for the derailments, which I know I have been a part of), and that you pray long and hard before you make a decision.
In the end, yes, you do live with your decision. Please make it one that you will not regret.

All my love and prayers.
Pax, my Sister.
 
What good are human years of condoning sin…if in the end you help your child lose his soul? Love him, pray for him but don’t be part of his sins. St. Monica didn’t agree or condone - but she did pray and wait. And in the end she saw the soul - her son - saved.

The evil one loves situations where we are tempted to abandon God’s laws in the guise of staying “close” to our children. Prayers at home are better than a stamp of approval.

Just as we love our children, we love their very souls - those we brought into this world. They are one and the same. Do not help them sin by joining in. Then you could both be lost.

Get sound theology on how to respond and don’t be swayed by a current social norm that tells you not to “judge” your children. Christ will do that in the end and He will be the one to lead your son home.
 
Be very careful of what you are doing. If you say, hate the sin but love the sinner, that requires a very mindful distinction of what is wrong and why. Do not go into anything with your son with your son without being sure of the boundries of what you think you can do and cannot do. Do not go into any disagreement on emotion. Save that for when you are away from the situation.

If anything, you might want to remind him that you too are a sinner. You do this not to be “holier than Thou,” but you are not able to say that a sin is not a sin and go forth with it. You too are weak and you fall prey, but you pick back up and try to move on.

It is not perferable to go to the wedding, on the other hand, if you feel he will cut himself off from your family, you do need to weigh that. I don’t think that you want to shun him, but he might shun himself. If anything, DIL if she doesn’t feel accepted may use that to further the schism.

In my opinion if the marriage is as depraved as it is said, the marriage will probably eventually fall apart or at least be “broken.” If you can keep your influence of your son, bid your time. Never say it’s ok, and have on the table you think it’s wrong and why. When trouble occurs be there, and be their for your DIL. If the two can trust you when they hit a bottom and desire something better, you can help lead them to a better path. Your son and your DIL can salavage a relationship to bring it to a sacramental one. After all I am sure they have the best intentions.

Be the salt of the Earth, be a person they’d like to be. Pray, and let the Spirit guide you. Be on the watch, you never know the time or the hour, they might be open for advice for the better path. You can choose to go or not, but more important is this is an on going. In these situations nothing is static. If he cares for her so much as to have a wedding, sham or not, if your going to help your son, she’s a part of the package right now too.
 
I could not visit my thread for a couple of days. Wow! 11 pages of responses! I’m overwhelmed and my heart is touched by eveyone.

To answer a frequent question: They are not just roommates. She has sex with both. This was established almost 3 years ago when I asked her point blank. It was also confirmed in a very heated discussion we had about a year ago. There are two bedrooms, one with a king bed and one with a twin. I am no longer asking them about what goes on behind closed doors. I hope (and pray) that the “best friend” is working his way out of the picture…and bedroom, with the pending wedding.
 
I have only read through the fist 4 pages of the 11 pages. My heart is touched by all the outpouring to me. I read and understand each person’s reasoning.

When I first learned about my son’s 3 person sexual relationship I shunned them all. No change. A year later I took my son to lunch for his b’day but shunned the other two. I again re-iterated my loathing of his lifestyle. No change. I had only him for Christmas, shunned the other two. No change. A year later she joined him for Christmas, although I did not invite her. A few months late we had the “blow out” dinner where tempers flared and angry words were spoken. No change…except for the engagement. This past year we had a mid-January lunch (no Christmas). All 3 attended.

When this all began I called Dr. Ray Garendi. He said to keep communications open, see my son, but exclude the others. He said it would all fall apart soon and then my son would need me. Well, it’s been almost 3 years and has not fallen apart.

My son will need me one day, even if it is 10 years from now. I agree that shunning does not work, especially for him. I must keep the doors of communication open. A agree that I must continue to pray. I pray not only for my son but for the other two as well.

My thought at the moment is to attend the wedding (I am not the official witness). By doing so I do not shun my son and I show that I love him After greetings to my ex and other family members I will then leave the reception. I will not attend the celebration of the “union” of the bride and groom. How can I celebrate a union that is a sham in my eyes? I will speak to my son before hand about this so that he is prepared (and won’t have to pay for another dinner). By my doing so he will know of my convictions. Attending the wedding says I love my son. Leaving the reception says I do not approve (celebrate) the life style he/they are living.

My thoughs may change as I continue to read…later tonight.
 
Bless you Shouva - you are in my prayers as you discern how to handle this situation.

It’s not up to us. We have provided you with more than enough food for thought. I don’t see the need to add more unless YOU want it.

~Liza
 
Attending the wedding says I love my son. Leaving the reception says I do not approve (celebrate) the life style he/they are living.

My thoughts may change as I continue to read…later tonight.
Attending the wedding says you acknowledge and accept this ‘marriage’.

Leaving the reception says you do not deem the marriage worth celebrating.

If you want to show your son how much you love him I would remain firm and steady in your convictions by sitting him down and explaining why you cannot attend the wedding - it goes against the faith to acknowledge this marriage as legitimate and/or blessed. If he still wants you to make an ‘appearance’ at the reception for photos and pretences, then you let him know you’d be open to that, provided he understands you could not stay for the entire function. Tell him it is the best you can do with this situation in which he has placed you without compromising your own integrity.

His love and respect for you should enable him to accept your decision. If he cries and moans, I’m sorry, but that’s just more evidence of how immature this person is - believing he can spit in your face about moral teachings and then get upset that you won’t go through the motions of ‘appearing’ to approve of his actions. ** Do not lie** with your actions to those in attendance. You compromise your own integrity by allowing him to put you in that position.

Please know that if you lose your son over this, it is his doing, not yours. Keep praying for him and he will return in good time. For three years you have compromised and he remains committed to this threesome and now chooses to legitimize one of the relationships with no intention of modifying his behavior. I would say your son is already lost. Focus on your devotion to St. Monica who had to wait 30 years to see the fruits of her petitions.
 
*My thought at the moment is to attend the wedding (I am not the official witness). By doing so I do not shun my son and I show that I love him After greetings to my ex and other family members I will then leave the reception. I will not attend the celebration of the “union” of the bride and groom. How can I celebrate a union that is a sham in my eyes? *

My last post on the issue - I think what you have written above is self-contradictory. The “celebration” begins with the ceremony.
 
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