Yes, grave.OrbisNonSufficit:
Well, which is it? Is it the teaching of the Catholic church that it is grave matter to be a pro-choice politician or not? Some say yes, others say no.
http://www.vatican.va/content/john-...s/hf_jp-ii_enc_25031995_evangelium-vitae.html
Bishops are not required to judge someone like that. They could, but are not required to… especially if said person does not fall under their authority. On the other hand, abortion has been condemned. One can profess Buddha to be Holy Spirit and claim to be Orthodox- that does not make him Orthodox.
Well then according to you just about all Catholic politicians who are running as Democrats are excommunicated?
I am not very familiar with US politics.
Amen. The right reason to embrace a faith is because you believe it to be True and to be where God has led you. I believe in Orthodoxy because I believe she has preserved the same Spirit of the Apostolic Fathers of the Church, not because the Anglicans were busy engaging in a civil war in their communion, nor because the Baptists had put in a hipster indie folk band to replace their old time hymn sing. Seeking the Truth is highest and most approved criterion for embracing a Faith, because “seek and ye shall find”. Christ is Truth Incarnate and He will lead you to Himself and the best place to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
Yes. That means he is no longer Orthodox but has fallen into delusion, and heresy.
Our Orthodox canonization process is based upon the early Church’s model of veneration/glorification. The Catholic Church until the 17th century had a very similar method of canonization.
As could local Catholic diocese until the aforesaid 17th century.
Source please? I find this one highly suspect as the Russians are very careful about who they canonize. Perhaps there are some schlock “icons” of Stalin, but painting someone in Byzantine style with a nimbus around his head does not equal canonization.
I am Catholic and the church has big messes also. We all need to pray for and love one another.
A pretty broad statement! It seems to me that some Catholics get a lot more bent out of shape about the disputes amongst Orthodox churches than actual Orthodox Christians do.
Exactly this. This is the mindset we all need if there’s any hope of restoring communion between the Catholic and Orthodox churches.
And yet, remarkably, the Orthodox have remained united in faith and liturgy. This despite the often rambunctious (and even embarrassing) nature of jurisdictional disputes we deal with.
Russia has only broken communion with Constantinople, not other churches.
You’re free to hold your opinion.
That’s not really accurate. Actual canonization is a function solely of the synod of bishops. This canonization formally recognizes and announces to the world that a particular individual is indeed a saint and worthy of veneration by all. That individual’s journey to canonization, however, starts with veneration at a very local level (i.e. the parish or monastery in which they carried out their ministry) that eventually spreads beyond the local level. At some point, the bishops will investigate the individual in order to make a determination on canonization.
True. It is a mess, but the Church (East and West) has always been “a mess” throughout her earthly battle, whether against heresies, or schisms, or tumults, or wars, or plagues, or persecutions. While in this world, the Church remains Militant and yet Triumphant, ever battling under the banner of her Immortal King and God.
Here is how canonization has worked in the Roman Church, it is a worthwhile read: (Please note that canonization was not reserved solely to the Bishop of Rome until 1634 A.D., at which point the practice changed from recognition by local council to recognition by the Holy See. The Orthodox practice the older, pre-1634 practice which reserves public liturgical glorification to the Synod of Bishops of the local autocephalous church).
There are many examples of “questionable” processes of canonization of Latin saints as well, speed with which they are canonized etc. There was some controversy over the speed with which Pope St Pius X was canonized, as you know.
It’s not true. Please see the link I posted above. The ROC condemned the icon and made clear that Stalin was not, is not and shall not ever be included in the Canon of the Saints.new-kirishitan:
