Should I be leaving mass after the homily?

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Thank you all for your replies. I have been speaking with a priest about all of this for more than a year. I am meeting with him later this week and will ask him about radical sanation. He has not mentioned it as a possibility. I will ask him what I should be doing at mass. I’m sure that he will tell me to stay. The book just got me thinking, so I thought I would ask.
 
Thank you for the info. About radical sanation. I have been praying for some indication about what to do. I believe that my priest is holding out hope that with prayer, penance, etc… A conversion will occur for my husband. Of course that would be wonderful, however his level of anger and hostility towards my conversion and the fact that I basically have to withhold information from him unless asked (like how often I go to mass, books that I am reading, etc…) has made me wonder if we are going to have to take another route. I greatly appreciate the (name removed by moderator)ut. I have never heard the term before.
 
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“I am in RCIA right now, and every Sunday after the homily we all (catechumens and candidates) leave for Breaking Open the Word. However, some of the people in my class suggested to the RCIA directors that maybe once in a while we could stay for the whole mass because, as they put it, we need to become somewhat familiar with what happens after the homily.”

I’m an RCIA sponsor and our instructor has the entire class (catechumens and candidates) leave after the homily.

Sponsors who haven’t attended Mass remain for the rest of the Mass. Those sponsors who attended the night before can leave with the catechumens and candidates and join in with their experience in Breaking Open the Word.
 
question_asker1 said:
Thank you all for your replies. I have been speaking with a priest about all of this for more than a year. I am meeting with him later this week and will ask him about radical sanation. He has not mentioned it as a possibility. I will ask him what I should be doing at mass. I’m sure that he will tell me to stay. The book just got me thinking, so I thought I would ask.
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Radical sanation is probably not an option since your husband is Catholic.
 
Barbkw said:
I’m an RCIA sponsor and our instructor has the entire class (catechumens and candidates) leave after the homily.
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Your instructor is in error. The baptized do not leave Mass after the Homily.
 
anp1215 said:
I am in RCIA right now, and every Sunday after the homily we all (catechumens and candidates) leave for Breaking Open the Word. However, some of the people in my class suggested to the RCIA directors that maybe once in a while we could stay for the whole mass because, as they put it, we need to become somewhat familiar with what happens after the homily. We have never sat through an entire mass, unless of course we went to one on our own. I hope they decide we can sit through one maybe once a month or something.
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What a travesty.
 
1ke said:
Of course it is an option. On what are you basing your statement?
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“Radical sanation” is for Catholics who have married in the non-Catholic non-Christian tradition of their spouse (ie: Buddhism, if the spouse is a practicing Buddhist)
 
jmcrae said:
“Radical sanation” is for Catholics who have married in the non-Catholic non-Christian tradition of their spouse (ie: Buddhism, if the spouse is a practicing Buddhist)
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I’m not sure why you believe this to be true.

Marriages between two Catholics can definitely be sanated.
 
1ke said:
I’m not sure why you believe this to be true.

Marriages between two Catholics can definitely be sanated.
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Sanation is when only one spouse gives the consent to Christian marriage. This can only be done if the other spouse is not qualified to do so - that is to say, if he is not a baptized Christian.
 
jmcrae said:
Sanation is when only one spouse gives the consent to Christian marriage. This can only be done if the other spouse is not qualified to do so - that is to say, if he is not a baptized Christian.
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I could be missing something but I don’t see anything in Canon Law that says this. The sanation can be granted even if neither party is aware of it as long as consent to remain in the marriage persists. Obviously, one party would have to be Catholic to require sanation but it doesn’t follow that the other must be non-Catholic.
 
Phemie said:
I could be missing something but I don’t see anything in Canon Law that says this. The sanation can be granted even if neither party is aware of it as long as consent to remain in the marriage persists. Obviously, one party would have to be Catholic to require sanation but it doesn’t follow that the other must be non-Catholic.
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Surely the Catholic spouse would be expected to understand and participate in the validation of his marriage. (Why would you want to leave the Catholic spouse unaware that his marriage has been made valid?)
 
What we today call the “Liturgy of the Word” was in the past called the “Mass of the Catechumens” (still called that in the Tridentine form of Mass), because this was the portion of the celebration of Mass that catechumens were permitted to attend and they actually were not permitted to remain the for the Canon. But that was a billion years ago. Catechumens are no longer expected to depart when the Liturgy of the Eucharist begins, and haven’t been expected to for…eons.
 
Pregustator said:
What we today call the “Liturgy of the Word” was in the past called the “Mass of the Catechumens” (still called that in the Tridentine form of Mass), because this was the portion of the celebration of Mass that catechumens were permitted to attend and they actually were not permitted to remain the for the Canon. But that was a billion years ago. Catechumens are no longer expected to depart when the Liturgy of the Eucharist begins, and haven’t been expected to for…eons.
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At least not unless they are dismissed to break open the Word.
 
At least not unless they are dismissed to break open the Word.
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Is this something you’ve actually encountered? For all the 40 years I’ve attended Sunday Mass in as many different churches, that has never happened.
 
jmcrae said:
Sanation is when only one spouse gives the consent to Christian marriage. This can only be done if the other spouse is not qualified to do so - that is to say, if he is not a baptized Christian.
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This is NOT true.

Read canon law.
 
jmcrae said:
Surely the Catholic spouse would be expected to understand and participate in the validation of his marriage. (Why would you want to leave the Catholic spouse unaware that his marriage has been made valid?)
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If the one spouse refuses to renew consent, the other can seek sanation of a marriage that lacks only form for validity. The spouse refusing convalidation may or may not be informed of the sanation. Usually informing the other party would be withheld when it would cause spiritual harm or marital strife.

A marriage can be sanated without the knowledge of *either *party. For example, if a priest failed to get a dispensation for disparity of cult and married a couple, he could send in the paperwork to the bishp for sanation upon discovery of his mistake and would not necessarily tell the couple, since it could unduly burden them.
 
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Is this something you’ve actually encountered? For all the 40 years I’ve attended Sunday Mass in as many different churches, that has never happened.
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Yes, my old parish does dismissal of the catechumens for breaking opne the word every week.

This is a large parish that has usually over 50 catechumens each year. The candidates remain in church with the rest of the baptized. It is only catechumens who should be dismissed.

If a catechumen was unable to attend that particular mass where the RCIA team provided the breaking open of the word, they would attend another mass and stay for the entire mass.
 
I found a really great blog post about “breaking open the Word of God.”
The Rite of dismissal is not an end in itself, but a means to move the catechumens (unbaptized) and perhaps candidates (baptized) (see RCIA 406) to a place where they can be spiritually fed. Though they cannot yet come to the table of the Eucharist, Mother Church still has an obligation to feed those who have entered into a relationship with her through the Rites of Acceptance and Welcoming (celebrated recently). This obligation is fulfilled by sending them out to dwell more richly on the Word of God that they have just heard at Mass.
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