Should I delete my saved tracks if I sell my cd set?

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I need to raise some money so I’m going to sell my Jeff Cavins Bible study–Gospel of Matthew. I have a buyer.

But, does this mean that I should delete the files that I saved on my computer for uploading on my mp3 player? I don’t want to :crying:
 
leonie said:
I need to raise some money so I’m going to sell my Jeff Cavins Bible study–Gospel of Matthew. I have a buyer.

But, does this mean that I should delete the files that I saved on my computer for uploading on my mp3 player? I don’t want to :crying:
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Why should you? You purchased the music fair and legally. As far as I know, it is not against the law to sell your possessions via a garage sale, pawn shop or other means.
I don’t think you are doing anything wrong.
Now - if you started making copies and selling them - THAT would be wrong.
 
I’m going to disagree with what the others have said, I do think you should delete the things that are saved on your computer. You are allowed to make back up copies of things for personal use, but once you sell the originals, that is no longer what you are doing.

I agree that you are allowed to sell them, but keeping a copy for your self is essentially the same thing as making a copy from someone else’s CD without owning it yourself. It is no longer your’s to make copies of.
 
KarenElissa said:
I’m going to disagree with what the others have said, I do think you should delete the things that are saved on your computer. You are allowed to make back up copies of things for personal use, but once you sell the originals, that is no longer what you are doing.

I agree that you are allowed to sell them, but keeping a copy for your self is essentially the same thing as making a copy from someone else’s CD without owning it yourself. It is no longer your’s to make copies of.
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I think the law would have dealt with this issue by now (since tape recorders first came out in the 1940s). So the best thing is to find out what the law requires and then do that.
 
If you are the owner of said materials, you are allowed a digital back up for personal use. When you sell said materials, you are no longer the end user, and the copyright and all the licenses to it are transferred to the new end user.

in theory, you should delete the tracks since you’ve sold the materials.

in practice, its much ado about nothing, in my opinion.
 
leonie said:
I need to raise some money so I’m going to sell my Jeff Cavins Bible study–Gospel of Matthew. I have a buyer.

But, does this mean that I should delete the files that I saved on my computer for uploading on my mp3 player? I don’t want to :crying:
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You own a single license to the music. If you have transfered the license by selling the original, you need to delete the electronic versions you have saved.
 
The info. you have received on end-licensing is correct. If you buy it, you are licensed. If you sell it, you are selling your license.

I’d keep the set.
 
Thanks. I’m very clear now.

Bye-bye precious Jeff Cavins tracks! How I will miss you! :crying:

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I think it is ridiculous to delete the tracks. You bought the cd for a price, I’ll say $15. Then you sell it for I’ll say $7. I would think you can be entitled to keep the tracks on the computer since you did not sell it for the same price.
 
leonie said:
I need to raise some money so I’m going to sell my Jeff Cavins Bible study–Gospel of Matthew. I have a buyer.

But, does this mean that I should delete the files that I saved on my computer for uploading on my mp3 player? I don’t want to :crying:
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theres no law against it so its obviously okay with the record companies.
 
You are selling an OBJECT and retaining INFORMATION you legally obtained from the object.

Saying you have to delete the tracks is like saying once you sell a book you’d bought you need to forget what you’d read. Or burn any notes you’d made from the book. Which is RIDICULOUS.

There is no such law for a good reason.
 
paradoxy said:
There is no such law for a good reason.
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There is a law that you have to delete or destroy copies of significant portions of a work when you no longer have access to the original. The most the OP could get would be a “fair use” extension of ~30 days on keeping the copy of the original work around after losing access tot he original before destroying the copies.
 
In copyright cases like this, US and European law is actually quite clear in its directives.
 
Oh, keep the files, for crying out loud. So long as you don’t copy them and sell them to anybody else, it’s fine.

This IS much ado about nothing, as another poster pointed out.

If you bought a book of poems, say, one small enough in size that you could photocopy them (for whatever reason … maybe you’re traveling and don’t want the book to get scuffed), but then decided to sell the book. You would be fine to keep those photocopies so long as they were never used for personal gain. Come on, man. If this is really something that weighs on your conscience, then your conscience must be pretty darn spotless.
 
cenpress said:
Oh, keep the files, for crying out loud. So long as you don’t copy them and sell them to anybody else, it’s fine.
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It is fine according to whom? The copy right law is quite clear and what you are suggesting is an infringement of it, thus sinful unless it can be proved that it is unjust.
cenpress said:
This IS much ado about nothing, as another poster pointed out.
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The difference between right or wrong it is about us following God’s commands. I would not call that “nothing”.
cenpress said:
Come on, man. If this is really something that weighs on your conscience, then your conscience must be pretty darn spotless.
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The conscience can be well formed and the soul may not be spotless. Are you suggesting that we should worry only about our major sins, and not confront sin as a whole danger for our salvation? Are we going to face moral relativism once more even in this forum?
 
elvisman said:
Why should you? You purchased the music fair and legally. As far as I know, it is not against the law to sell your possessions via a garage sale, pawn shop or other means.
I don’t think you are doing anything wrong.
**Now - if you started making copies and selling them - THAT **would be wrong.
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Isn’t this what the person is doing in a small scale? So it is ok to do a little wrong?
wjp984 said:
I think it is ridiculous to delete the tracks. You bought the cd for a price, I’ll say $15. Then you sell it for I’ll say $7. I would think you can be entitled to keep the tracks on the computer since you did not sell it for the same price.
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Just because you don’t get full value for them when you resell the material (who gets full value for used merchandise?), you have no right to violate the license agreement you accepted when purchased. Furthermore, while disagreeing w/ your logic, don’t you think that you should have to pay something for the use you got? Are you one who believes you are entitled to other’s property for free?
coleraine said:
theres no law against it so its obviously okay with the record companies.
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There is such a law. It is called copyright law.
cenpress said:
Oh, keep the files, for crying out loud. So long as you don’t copy them and sell them to anybody else, it’s fine.

This IS much ado about nothing, as another poster pointed out.

If you bought a book of poems, say, one small enough in size that you could photocopy them (for whatever reason … maybe you’re traveling and don’t want the book to get scuffed), but then decided to sell the book. You would be fine to keep those photocopies so long as they were never used for personal gain. Come on, man. If this is really something that weighs on your conscience, then your conscience must be pretty darn spotless.
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Hey, your residual right is the right to sing what you remember in your head (ala remembering what you read in books you sold). Copyright law is the law of the land. More importantly, you accepted the terms of the law when you bought the copyrighted material subject to a license. This is the condition which the originator sold it to you. You don’t get to right your own laws.
You are advocating a violation of copyright law. When one purchases the original music, you actually purchased a licence to use the copyrighted material. You don’t own the material. When you sell or give away the license, your right to use it ceases.

Based on copyright law and the conditions of the originator of the material that you freely accepted when you purchased the material (as per the license agreement), what you advocate is theft which is violation of the 10 Commandments and grave matter.
 
Cristiano said:
Are we going to face moral relativism once more even in this forum?
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Yes, because that is what I’m suggesting … moral relativism. Please.

Look, if it weighs on your conscience, delete the files. If you truly don’t want to get rid of it, keep it and find something else to sell. Personally, I don’t think this is something you need to beat yourself up over. That doesn’t make me diabolical … and it doesn’t make me a moral relativist.
 
actually, copyright law is the one area where otherwise good people knowingly have no problem stealing intellectual property under the guise of “well, i don’t think it’s wrong”.

if you think it’s wrong or right is completely immaterial, the law is clear, the work is the property of the creator. if you choose not to erase it when the work is sold to someone else, you are breaking the law of the land.

it is wrong, it is stealing. and it’s funny how people still don’t care. they won’t smoke pot because it’s against the law, or they’ll pay their taxes right on time… but that user agreement i entered into by buying the CD… NAAAAHhhhhhhh. heck with that.

once again, i have no problem with pot smoking or keeping the files. but it is objectively wrong and it is categorically considered theft of services.
 
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