Should I ex-communicate my brother?

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I am the middle child in a family of three siblings. My sister is five years younger than me and my brother is two years older than me. My family and I live an eight-hour drive away from my parents, and my sister and her fiancé live a sixteen-hour drive away. My brother and his wife live in the same city as my parents.

My dad was raised in a very dysfunctional, at times abusive setting. he had some major emotional issues – mainly anger – and he would also drink, and when he drank, he got very mean and nasty and would be verbally and emotionally abusive to my mom and us kids and also would be physically threatening – I can remember a few times my dad pushing and shoving my brother around.

While my dad is by NO MEANS perfect now he hasn’t drank alcohol in a very long time, and he doesn’t blow up or explode on anyone anymore. He can get pouty and mad, and can be a handful for my mom (he recently right before Christmas last year went through a heart attack and a stroke and that really mellowed him out).

Anxiety disorders run in my family, and I definitely think that what I went through as a child contributed to my struggles with anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorder and depression (that I have thankfully come through after faith in God, hard work at cognitive behaviour therapy and medication!), but as part of my healing I have put that all in the past. I am VERY close with both my mother and my father,

My brother was such a wonderful older brother growing up, but then in high school he got into this super brainy crowd and became a self-professed atheist and started to change.

He eventually met his now-wife, who was a practicing Wiccan at the time, and went from being an atheist to a Wiccan/Neo-Pagan, and now he is basically just an agnostic who still likes the idea of the pagan Celtic religions. I tried to be accepting of that (while praying for him), but he has been blatantly disrespectful of my family’s religion. We always say grace before eating at my parent’s house, and one year after Christmas dinner this is what he tweeted: “Forced to eat cold, overcooked turkey and bow my head to a cowardly God of a week religion… Christmas at the family’s.” It really hurt, that he would be that rude (he also complained on twitter about the “sh!tty” presents my parents gave him) when we have always been accepting and loving about his choices.

Once I was eating at his house and I asked him if we could say a prayer of thanks quickly that my dad had been released from the hospital after his stroke – he looked me dead in the eye and said no. I was hurt, because I had even worded it to a “creator” so he wouldn’t feel like I was trying to push my Christianity on him.

My brother said that he wishes my father had died of his stroke, rather than come back and be a “jerk” (never mind that recovering from a stroke is a very emotional time for anyone!). He also said that he is going to tell his kids (he is expecting his first) when they are like five that our dad is a “horrible” person and my mom is a “coward” for staying with him – and that he won’t let them have anything to do with the baby. He always says mean things like my dad is an a-hole and my mom “doesn’t have a brain in her head”.

He carries around a big hunting knife ,and once he was at a dog park and a dog came up and tried to bite his own dog, and he said that he had the blade at the dog’s throat and would have slit it had the owner not come up and controlled his dog – thankfully the owner did not see

My brother refuses to help my parents with anything, and yet any time he needs to borrow my parents’ truck or needs them to watch his dogs, he expects it. My grandma, who lives a two-day drive away, just had a heart attack and stroke and my mom had to leave my dad to go be with her. My sister is staying with my dad, and my brother said that was good because he wouldn’t bother helping at all when mom was away (dad is still recovering from his stroke and he doesn’t have his driver’s license).

he is also really rude to his wife, who just takes it. He was carving a chicken for dinner once and his wife asked if he needed any help and he said “no I don’t need any f@*&ing help, get the f$&*k out of the kitchen, woman!” and she backed up a bit and he looked back and said, “I thought I told you to get the F$%*k out of the kitchen?!?!?”

When my mom was about to fly out to help my grandma he said that she was an old bat and he couldn’t imagine having a mom like that (this is my mom’s mom not my dad’s mom), even though my grandma is wonderful. He went to visit her last summer (I think just to be in the will – she is a wealthy woman), and she said she hoped to see him again next year, and after he closed the door he said, “dream on, you f*&(ing old bat”.

What can I do??? It’s so hard to hear all this horrible things coming from his mouth (I hear them second-hand – any time he tries to talk to me like this I end the conversation).

My sister has to go back home and my mom might not be back from being with my grandma yet, and my brother said that he was going to have to check on my dad every two days because he’s worried he’d “off himself” because after his stroke my dad got depressed. Once in the hospital he said he would be less trouble for everyone if he died or something, and I was upset and called my brother to talk about it, and he said he has “no sympathy” for anyone who would kill themselves or anyone who has a mental illness or disorder, which he said to my face – ME, someone who has been through anxiety, OCD and depression! He says they are “weaklings”…
 
It sounds like your brother still holds a great deal of anger toward your father (and somewhat toward your mother as well). He needs your prayers and support for this because it is difficult holding onto so much anger, but it is also difficult to live with the memories of abuse.

Unfortunately, it seems that he is continuing the cycle with the way he treats his wife. He likely doesn’t even realize this.

I’m not sure what any of that has to do with ex-communicating? Particularly since you don’t have the authority to do that anyway. It is unfortunate that he has turned away from the Church, but this may all be related to his anger toward your parents.
 
I’m not sure what any of that has to do with ex-communicating? Particularly since you don’t have the authority to do that anyway. It is unfortunate that he has turned away from the Church, but this may all be related to his anger toward your parents.
I meant ex-communicate him from the family
 
Waters,
I am sorry you are going through this. But my view – just my view – I would cut off communication with him. It may seem harsh but why subject yourself to such anger, resentment, and downright disrespect not only for you but your faith?

It seems that he is just so angry with the world and he will turn that anger and resentment towards anyone and everyone – and he will NOT change. I am not sure if you are married / have children, but if you do not – would you want to expose your children to someone like that?

You can still pray for him that he can get over his anger and return to God. But it seems that being anyplace near him, is toxic. To say anyone who has anxiety, depression or OCD, something that the person has no control over, as being weak is an *****. Sorry for the language, but it goes back to –he is toxic. And again my view he is the weak one for he cannot control his anger / emotion’s / or himself.

So cut off all contact with him – it may be rough and seem cruel, but you need to. Maybe it will also cause him to reflect on himself and try and get help.

I pray that God grants you peace and happiness.

Winter
 
You can only “excommunicate” him from your life, not from your family’s. If your parents or sister want to continue having a relationship with him, you can’t stop them.

But you can refuse to deal with him yourself. What will you do at family holidays, tho?
 
It sounds like your life will be significantly happier without his negativity and disrespect. You have NO obligation to take his **** and deal with it for the sake of making other family members happy. He’s an adult, and will have to live with the consequences of his poor behavior. If he wasn’t blood related, I’m 100% certain you wouldn’t have anything to do with this kind of person.
 
Pray for him daily.
Beyond that? Nothing. Let his rants fall on deaf ears.
If he asks why, just say " I thought I’d be doing you a huge favor by not subjecting you to any more kindness or weakness. I don’t want to be a burden on you, goodbye. Good luck .
Keep praying. He’s a mess. May God have mercy.
Put your efforts into your other family members who know how to behave.
As someone already said, if he were not your brother, you’d remove yourself form his company completely.
God bless you.
 
It doesn’t appear that your brother’s behavior is conducive to your own healing from a difficult childhood.
I’m saddened by all the suffering of you and your siblings.
My hope and my prayer is that you will find a healthy recovery from an abusive childhood.

It may be that your brother may not recover, not recognizing how he has assimilated the effects of the dysfunction as part of his own behavior.

You do recognize the harm done and have retained a loving heart, as your sister also has done, so you do need to isolate yourself from the nastiness that drags you down and impedes your recovery.

I doubt that doing so will improve your brother. He will have one more person to vilify.
There is undoubtedly hurt whatever you decide to do, so I hope you can find a balance that will enable you to be there for the other members of your family, and also have space to recover.

I love your compassion for your parents. Your father…who knows what he may have endured as a child or what stresses led to his angry behavior. I’ve previously seen illness do what it did to your father, soften and mellow an angry person (though it can have the opposite effect with some persons). Sometimes that’s what it takes, illness can be a strange gift from God to begin healing of the person’s soul. May God complete that healing and give both your parents some happier and more peaceful years.

May God help your brother to face the damage to him in a wholesome way rather than in the way that is destructive in all his relationships. He must have been a very sensitive little boy to be so damaged.

May God’s light and love penetrate and enfold you and each member of your family.

God bless you Dear,
kind wishes Trishie
 
I don’t know what is the right phrasing for this, but unless you’re scared of what he might do, I think he has to be told that he is walking in his father’s footsteps.

Here’s some possible phrasing after he says something abusive or mean: “That’s the sort of thing dad used to say.” Or “That’s the sort of thing dad did when we were kids. Have you considered doing counseling to work through childhood issues and learn how to not turn into dad?” He’ll probably say *****##*&^$#@ and if you say anything else, you can say, “Yeah, that’s the sort of thing I was talking about,” and then go.

But definitely don’t be around him or speak up if you’re scared of what he might do.

You might want to have a private word with his wife to express your concerns and mention that if she ever needs help, that you are available, and you know what it means to live in an abusive home. (That’s not without risks, of course, so you’ll have to weigh the possibility that she’ll go straight to him, and he’ll do goodness knows what.)

I would be very concerned that he will eventually mistreat his children.
 
If you’re unavoidably going to have to be around him, I would suggest making sure that you’ve got independent transportation home and can leave whenever you want. It would be awful to be trapped at some family gathering with him because you can’t get a ride.
 
Is there a particular saint I can ask for intercession for my brother?
 
this might sound very simplistic but it works. PRAY FOR HIM. st Monica drenched the floor with her tears for the repentance of Augustine her son. when the seed of change finally sprouted, the floor was so moist that Augustine grew into a great Catholic saint.

you do not necessarily have to go to him and hear or see painful things. just avoid him as much as possible, encourage the other family members to tolerate him, and reach out to God for his conversion. a whole family coming together will take much less time to make a stream of tears unto God (much less time than st Monica)
 
Is there a particular saint I can ask for intercession for my brother?
I am going to do a search for you for a saint to go to. Seems to me St. Rita put up with a lot of abuse from her husband and his family? She is a great saint for impossible cases also, but I will look. I also know St. Dymphna is the saint for psychological disorders.

Try to keep in mind that your brother is an extremely unhappy person. He is abusive just like your father was, but behind the abuse is a man that is hurting terribly. He has also learned to be abusive when he was young. I know it is difficult, but try not to take his abuse personally. His behavior is just a reflection of his terrible unhappiness.

What you MUST do is to take care of yourself and concentrate on your own healing. Put strict limits on the amount of contact you have with him. VERY strict. Have as little contact with him as you possibly can. I have a daughter that suffers with disorders that you do, so I know how important it is that you take care of yourself. You have to work at your own recovery. And yes, pray for him, and trust Jesus to handle it. I will do a little searching on Saints that had been abused by family members.
 
Yep, I was correct. St. Rita suffered from abuse and before her abusive husband died he was converted. She also had 2 sons that both died (I believe when they were about 12 or so) from a contagious disease leaving her alone in the world. After wondering around homeless and grief stricken, she sought to join an order which at first would not accept her but eventually did. She asked Jesus to suffer with Him in His passion and was given a thorn wound on her forehead that only healed at her death. I hope this link works.

URL=“Prayers to St. Rita
 
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