Should I go to Kingdom Hall to keep myself informed?

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Ain’t that the truth - when I got married my wife tried to make me study some book with her about relationships, or family or something like that. I started zoning out on page 2. Then I suggested that we have a study of Dr Laura’s "The Proper Care and Feeding of a Husband - that brought the study to an end.
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hahaha… my DH did to!! We started reading it but it reminded me so much about a text book I had in my Psych class back in college I told him this sounded like that book, “Another Look At Love”… so we never touched it again…
 
I have a problem now… ever since I decided to go to Kingdom Hall w/my DH, I started understanding him a lot better. Ever since Thanksgiving, I stopped going, especially because I am doing a radical sanation on my marriage and I have to get rid of everything that might cause me to leave the faith. However, ever since I stopped going, I wonder what in the world is being fed onto my DH’s head. I had decided to attend w/him so I knew what he’s “learning” there.

After many Catholic bashings, I got fed up, and the last time I went I had to walk out because I couldn’t take their insults any longer. :mad: So, now I’m left in the dark again.

What do you guys think I should do? Should I keep on going with him to hear what he’s being told? Or should I just leave it at peace and forget that he’s a JW and keep on praying he comes back to the CC one day?

Last night he went to his school of theocratic ministry meeting, and I was angry at him for having gone. I am sick w/the flu, so asked him to stay w/me because I really didn’t want to be alone last night, but he still went. All he said was “I never ask you to miss Mass”… ughhh I was so angry I just said that I only go 1 hour or so a week not 5 a week!

So yeah, the whole 2 hours he was gone I felt miserable thinking the whole time “what are they teaching him now?” :confused: But in a way I got my way again, 😃 while he was gone, I finally had the courage to put up a picture of baby Jesus and 2 marble angels I got from my grandma a while ago, plus a Rosary and a scapular I always used to hang on those angels… I put it off for so long just so it wouldn’t bother him, but I finally decided it was time to do it…

Aside from that, I still wonder if I should go or not to his meetings to keep myself informed… :confused:
I’M SO SORRY FOR YOU, I HAVE A SISTER WHO IS JW, AND I CAN’T IMAGEN BEING MARRY TO ONE I’LL PRAY FOR YOU AND HIM. HERE IS A WEB SITE THAT COULD HELP YOU THIS PERSON USE TO BE A JW NOW HE’S A CATHOLIC HIS NAME IS JEFFERY SCHWEHM HIS WEBSITE IS JSCHWEHM@CATHOLICXJW.COM
GOOD LUCK:)
 
If I would go, I’d bringing along some rosary beads.

Hmmmm, maybe some holy water, too. Just in case someone wanted to be baptized - so it would be done properly

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When my husband and I were first married, I was still a Mormon and he was Catholic. He refused to go to church with me and I thought I was being the “better person” by going to Mass with him. For years I literally picked apart the creed, refused to kneel at the consecration, wouldn’t stand with him, wouldn’t say the Our Father… etc.

Finally after years and years of this, I had a born again experience and went to the AofG. My husband went with me, but he still insisted that I go to Mass with him.

Now I’m finally home and I believe that my husband’s faithfulness was a real part of my conversion. By being a Faithful Catholic, you are showing your husband more of the Faith than you are by watering it down… which you will be doing by going with him. IMNSHO! 👍

I’ll pray for your marriage and your husband’s conversion tonight when I go to Adoration!!!

in Christ
Steph
 
Don’t go. He will have no problem telling you what he is ‘learning’ there. Your time would be better spent learning Catholic Apologetics so you can answer him when he tries to put some doubt in your mind about the Catholic Church.
 
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yessisan:
After many Catholic bashings, I got fed up, and the last time I went I had to walk out because I couldn’t take their insults any longer. :mad: So, now I’m left in the dark again.
JWs absolutely hate Ctaholics. they’re anti-Catholic in every way, shape, and form.
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yessisan:
Last night he went to his school of theocratic ministry meeting, and I was angry at him for having gone. I am sick w/the flu, so asked him to stay w/me because I really didn’t want to be alone last night, but he still went. All he said was “I never ask you to miss Mass”… ughhh I was so angry I just said that I only go 1 hour or so a week not 5 a week!

So yeah, the whole 2 hours he was gone I felt miserable thinking the whole time “what are they teaching him now?” :confused:
Why feel miserable because he picked THEM over you. his wife?

Sorry, but if this were my husband and it were me I’d say, “ADIOS! Don’t come back” as he walked out the door to his meeting to people who seen no problems with bashing my religion and not being tolerant of who I was as a Catholic. I’d be picking up the phone after he walked out the door and call my lawyer. I’m sorry, but no man is ever going to treat me like that.

If I were you, I’d stop praying and re-think your marriage to him. From all of the conversion stories I’ve read at The Fellowship of Catholic Ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses website and from all the EX JW guests I’ve heard on The Journey Home program with Marcus Grodi on EWTN, many JW men are abusive tot he women. If you read the conversion story of Serena Conn at The Fellowship of Catholic Ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses site, she mentions being engaged to a JW at 17 who wound up raping her. She called off the wedding and never told anyone about it because she didn’t follow the Watchtower Society’s admonition that all rape victims had to scream or else they were guilty of sexual immorality. The JWs can and will disfellow a woman for having been raped on the grounds of fornication because of their un-educated views on this.

I’m sorry, but the JWs aren’t as “rosy” and nice as they appear to be and the men treat the women like ****. Any man who marries me and chooses this cult over me can bank on never seeing me ever again. If he can’t take care of my needs like he should then why keep him around?
 
Hi Gang:

I also have a message board where sometimes JWs who are doubting will post what the Watchtower is currently teaching. Plus, I have other reliable sources that keep me up to date on the latest things going on in Watchtowerland.

Here is the link:

catholicxjw.proboards55.com/index.cgi#history

All of you are welcomed to join and ask questions or begin discussions.

Jeff S.
www.catholicxjw.com
 
I have a problem now… ever since I decided to go to Kingdom Hall w/my DH, I started understanding him a lot better. Ever since Thanksgiving, I stopped going, especially because I am doing a radical sanation on my marriage and I have to get rid of everything that might cause me to leave the faith. However, ever since I stopped going, I wonder what in the world is being fed onto my DH’s head. I had decided to attend w/him so I knew what he’s “learning” there.

After many Catholic bashings, I got fed up, and the last time I went I had to walk out because I couldn’t take their insults any longer. :mad: So, now I’m left in the dark again.

What do you guys think I should do? Should I keep on going with him to hear what he’s being told? Or should I just leave it at peace and forget that he’s a JW and keep on praying he comes back to the CC one day?

Last night he went to his school of theocratic ministry meeting, and I was angry at him for having gone. I am sick w/the flu, so asked him to stay w/me because I really didn’t want to be alone last night, but he still went. All he said was “I never ask you to miss Mass”… ughhh I was so angry I just said that I only go 1 hour or so a week not 5 a week!

So yeah, the whole 2 hours he was gone I felt miserable thinking the whole time “what are they teaching him now?” :confused: But in a way I got my way again, 😃 while he was gone, I finally had the courage to put up a picture of baby Jesus and 2 marble angels I got from my grandma a while ago, plus a Rosary and a scapular I always used to hang on those angels… I put it off for so long just so it wouldn’t bother him, but I finally decided it was time to do it…

Aside from that, I still wonder if I should go or not to his meetings to keep myself informed… :confused:
hey there:) hope your feeling better soon! i had that terrible flu believe me, and its not funny 😦 so my prayers are with you!

now regarding going to the hall, i would not go if i were you.
your already putting words in here that cause me concern, such as, " I have to get rid of everything that might cause me to leave the faith." ( i left out the radical thingy to emphasize what is causing me concern ) they are very influential at times, especially when you have been going for awhile. soon as you don’t go, lo and behold, they show up at your door on new years.

by you going, the witnesses think your showing interest, and at times, they will pressure your husband to bring you, as " it would be good for your marriage to bring your wife, and help her to see the truth" sooner or later, they will pull this on him.
( if they haven’t already ) they start showing up at your door.

i wouldn’t go if i were you, but the choice is up to you. i think it sends a misconstrued message to your husband that perhaps someday, my wife will see the “truth” if she attends with me long enough. he does have 1 valid point, that he says nothing about you going to mass, and believe me, be thankful for that because sometimes the jw spouse likes to enforce a no go policy. my ex hsuband refused me to step foot into a Catholic Church, I only went one time when he was at work.

I’ve never told him about it because it would have caused relentless arguing. i would pray for your husband, and keep all the research you have, and say your rosary. if you want to put images in your home, like statues, why can you not do it? you don’t object to him having the societies publications around right? so he should not mind you having images in your home either correct? it is your home also. things should be respectfully and charitably discussed on this matter.

has his family put pressure on him to ask you to go? if not, do they openly object to you having images in your home? do they try to persuade him to tell you to not have any images in your home?

i would pray incessantly for your husband if i were you. i was in your situation believe me, and it is not a comfortable situation. my priest told me that the jw belief is false religion, and that it is not good to go to their halls at all. he told me to stay away from them altogether. i told him i was no longer a jw, but he was concerned enough that he sat down with me and laid it out on the line why they are false, and he told me not to go to their halls, and i listened to him, and after meeting jeff schwehm here, and looking at all the info at his site, and meeting other ex jw’s here, and so on, i realized that the priest and all that i have met here are correct.

please, do not go. though the decision is yours, iam concerned enough for you to tell you what my priest told me, do not go. you can speak with them at your door, and so on, but to go to the hall could have a negative impact on you. seems to me like it already has. i think you have enough knowledge and enough fortitude to deal with them now on your own when they come to your home, and enough knowledge to know what they are teaching that you do not need to attend their meetings any longer.
 
Jehovah’s Witnesses are not as dangerous as the other more obscure christian cult “the Exclusive bretheren”, who will willingly deal in national conspiracy and espionage to get their way politically and financially, their churches are hidden, every member is relatively well cared for(I.E rich), they hunt down members who leave and even take away, correction Kidnap, their families from them, claiming that anyone who leaves their cult is dangerous and unchristian.

JW’s seem dangerous, but it is mostly in literature and brainwashing, rather than physical danger. They take away the spotlight on other more dangerous “christian” cults, and even Mormons and Scientology, who are even worse than JWs(not the least of which includes because LRH’s son said he considered himself the Antichrist).

You need to combat this, but don’t “try and get him out” because you may be in danger of in his mind victimizing the JWs as a dangerous anti-catholic cult(which of cause they are, but this is not going to get him out), which is something he isn’t going to agree with you on… simply slowly begin to apply pressure on him to debate the issues at hand and express your theology to him compassionately, in otherwords start gabbing about god at the dinner table… Slowly you will destroy his defenses with pointed arguments such as “did you know Cephas means Rock in aramaic?”.
 
“JWs absolutely hate Ctaholics. they’re anti-Catholic in every way, shape, and form”

true, but that does not mean we cannot pray for their conversion does it?

“Why feel miserable because he picked THEM over you. his wife?”

he is still with yessi is he not? why would he give up his marriage for them? has he done that? no. give him the benefit of the doubt friend. God works in mysterious ways as my mom says, and how do you know if it is not God’s plan for this man to see through his lovely wifes example of Christian life
that he might convert?

“Sorry, but if this were my husband and it were me I’d say, “ADIOS! Don’t come back” as he walked out the door to his meeting to people who seen no problems with bashing my religion and not being tolerant of who I was as a Catholic. I’d be picking up the phone after he walked out the door and call my lawyer. I’m sorry, but no man is ever going to treat me like that”

This is harsh… do you not think that her perseverence in her marriage might be what God wills so that her husband sees the real truth? or ought we to all walk away from a non believing spouse and just give up easily? if i did that, my former evolutionist husband would not be on the road to baptism as a Catholic now would he? i could’ve packed it in and left him because he did not want to be a Catholic, but i did not, and where is frank at now? he studies the Catechism and he is close to being baptised!

“If I were you, I’d stop praying and re-think your marriage to him. From all of the conversion stories I’ve read at The Fellowship of Catholic Ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses website and from all the EX JW guests I’ve heard on The Journey Home program with Marcus Grodi on EWTN, many JW men are abusive tot he women. If you read the conversion story of Serena Conn at The Fellowship of Catholic Ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses site, she mentions being engaged to a JW at 17 who wound up raping her. She called off the wedding and never told anyone about it because she didn’t follow the Watchtower Society’s admonition that all rape victims had to scream or else they were guilty of sexual immorality. The JWs can and will disfellow a woman for having been raped on the grounds of fornication because of their un-educated views on this.”

why should yessi stop praying for her hubby? i prayed for almost 6 years for my husbands conversion, and look at where frank is at now!! NEVER stop praying!!! the devil loves it when we do not pray! yessi does not need to rethink her marriage. she loves her hubby and he obviously loves her, she has a good man who is obviously confused and reaching out for truth, only he is not getting truth. he is searching in the wrong place. he will sooner or later find the truth. not ALL jw men are abusive to their wives either. some are really good men, the ones who are abusive need to be dealt with by the law. and the society needs to boot them out. but they don’t for the most part do they? no. that galls me.

"I’m sorry, but the JWs aren’t as “rosy” and nice as they appear to be and the men treat the women like ****. Any man who marries me and chooses this cult over me can bank on never seeing me ever again. If he can’t take care of my needs like he should then why keep him around? "

not true. not all jw men treat their wives as inferior. not true. i’ve known alot of jw couples and that statement is untrue. unless you’ve been there, you cannot fairly comment on that.
yessi’s hubby obviously loves her a great deal, so do not comment that if he cannot take care of her needs, she ought to kick him out. marriages can be worked out and him going to the hall when she is sick is not nice, but she can speak her concerns to him. chances are, he will feel badly about it, but remember, the indoctrination is what makes him go all the time, and this is a heavy heavy indoctrination, and it does not mean that he has not worried about her health when he was at the meeting, and when he comes to see the truth he will feel really badly about leaving her at home when she was ill. trust me, he will feel badly about it, and he likely already does but wont say anything because he wants to please the elders to be reinstated, but at the same time, he loves his wife dearly. he is caught in a vicious cycle of the watchtower, and he is having a difficult time of it. we MUST pray for him! not give up on him!

where would all of us ex witnesses be if someone did not take the time to care for us, and to set an example for us to follow?
in the society, miserable and lonely and hungering for God and for truth. we’d be caught up in their vicious cycle of mental control and indoctrination and never know real freedom, and never know Jesus Christ. we’d be stuck on a hell bound train.
Thank God for people like Yessi who are tirelessly patient with us!!! thank God for people like Jeff and his lovely wife who show us the TRUTH and we come out of the lies and deciet of the falsetower and embrace freedom in Jesus Christ!

Thank God for the Catholic Church!
 
Jehovah’s Witnesses are not as
JW’s seem dangerous, but it is mostly in literature and brainwashing, rather than physical danger. They take away the spotlight on other more dangerous “christian” cults, and even Mormons and Scientology, who are even worse than JWs(not the least of which includes because LRH’s son said he considered himself the Antichrist). QUOTE]

actually, they are dangerous. thousands have died because of a refusal of blood, and in the past, died because they could not recieve a life saving transplant. and hemopheliacs dying in the past because they could not receive a blood transfusion. they die for the society and the societies beliefs, they do not die for Christ, they die for the society. why? because of the heavy indoctrination and the mind control, and they are told that if they accept a blood transfusion, that they will be eternally dammed. so yes, it is a dangerous belief. very dangerous. do not be fooled by their look of passiveness. they are far from passive.
 
That’s a good post Marilena.

JWs are also people capable of doing good things and capable of doing bad things.

Sometimes in dealing with people you have to separate your critisism of their religion and not make it a personal thing. Each person is different. There shouldn’t be any more jumping to a conclusion that theres a few JWs who abuses their wife so therefore the majority of them do than it would be to make the same assumption for a fill in the blank__ (Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, etc, etc)
 
That’s a good post Marilena.

JWs are also people capable of doing good things and capable of doing bad things.

Sometimes in dealing with people you have to separate your critisism of their religion and not make it a personal thing. Each person is different. There shouldn’t be any more jumping to a conclusion that theres a few JWs who abuses their wife so therefore the majority of them do than it would be to make the same assumption for a fill in the blank__ (Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, etc, etc)
precisely! where would i be if i ridiculed my husband’s former belief in evolution? no where! frank was indoctrinated into evolution as he was raised in former german democratic republic, and they only taught evolution in school, and he knew only that belief. he did not even slightly know about God until he met me, 9 years after the wall came down!

It was God’s plan for frank to meet me, and it was God’s plan to draw me out of the society and back to Catholicism, and it was God’s plan to draw frank outof evolution and to meet me and to see the truth. anyone who states that we just ought to throw away a marriage because of a non believing spouse is not making an accurate insight. they most certainly are entitled to live their lives the way they see fit, and so on, but to state that yessi ought to re think her marriage is not a fair statement to make, because the person was only stating what she thinks yessi ought to do based on her own opinion of the matter.

yes, she is entitled to her opinion, and entitled to do what she wants if her situation were similar, but this is yessi’s marriage, and she loves her man, and he loves her, so for her to just pack it in because her hubby is non believing is not an option for her as it seems to me.

who are we to not trust in God that He would not let her hubby to see the truth? perhaps it is in God’s plans for this couple to be in this situation so that her hubby and perhaps his family sees the truth? perhaps this is in His plans? we do not know.
Only God knows. one can trust in Him that if it is His will, this man and his family will come out of the falsetower and embrace freedom!
 
colliric;1789289:
Jehovah’s Witnesses are not as
JW’s seem dangerous, but it is mostly in literature and brainwashing, rather than physical danger. They take away the spotlight on other more dangerous “christian” cults, and even Mormons and Scientology, who are even worse than JWs(not the least of which includes because LRH’s son said he considered himself the Antichrist). QUOTE]

actually, they are dangerous. thousands have died because of a refusal of blood, and in the past, died because they could not recieve a life saving transplant. and hemopheliacs dying in the past because they could not receive a blood transfusion. they die for the society and the societies beliefs, they do not die for Christ, they die for the society. why? because of the heavy indoctrination and the mind control, and they are told that if they accept a blood transfusion, that they will be eternally dammed. so yes, it is a dangerous belief. very dangerous. do not be fooled by their look of passiveness. they are far from passive.
I agree with you, it is a dangerous belief and brainwashing is wrong, but when I said physical danger, I meant danger from being “Attacked” by the cult in a criminal and Nazi-like fashion once they signal their intent to leave or dissent with the cult. The horror stories I have heared about the exclusive brethren is enough to make your blood boil, they literally have resorted to stealing and brainwashing children against their parents, they have kidnapped spouses and have secretly moved to have political leaders installed in power in both Australia(where I live) and New Zealand… The JWs are minor compared to that group.
 
Marilena;1789365:
I agree with you, it is a dangerous belief and brainwashing is wrong, but when I said physical danger, I meant danger from being “Attacked” by the cult in a criminal and Nazi-like fashion once they signal their intent to leave or dissent with the cult. The horror stories I have heared about the exclusive brethren is enough to make your blood boil, they literally have resorted to stealing and brainwashing children against their parents, they have kidnapped spouses and have secretly moved to have political leaders installed in power in both Australia(where I live) and New Zealand… The JWs are minor compared to that group.
i have also heard similar stories where some jw wives and husband spouses were secretly moved because of their spouse ( an opposer who is an “apostate” ) and the spouse has not been able to find their wife/husband, and the similar brainwashing of the children against the “opposer” is a valid fact as well.

take the case of lawrence hughes for example, his daughter dying of luekemia ( she did die ) was moved and he did not know of her whereabouts, and she died. some members of the society allegedly used aresenic as part of her treatment. so do not think that this society is any less capable of dangerous acts such as the brethren you mentioned because they are capable of it, and the physical danger they present is no less scarey or real.

see this link: rickross.com/reference/jw/jw238.html
 
I have a problem now… ever since I decided to go to Kingdom Hall w/my DH, I started understanding him a lot better. Ever since Thanksgiving, I stopped going, especially because I am doing a radical sanation on my marriage and I have to get rid of everything that might cause me to leave the faith. However, ever since I stopped going, I wonder what in the world is being fed onto my DH’s head. I had decided to attend w/him so I knew what he’s “learning” there.
This could turn into an occasion of sin for you where it could possibly put doubts in your mind about your own faith. Be careful.
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yessisan:
After many Catholic bashings, I got fed up, and the last time I went I had to walk out because I couldn’t take their insults any longer. So, now I’m left in the dark again.
This is an occasion of sin for you! :nope: Don’t go anymore, for your own salvation.
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yessisan:
What do you guys think I should do? Should I keep on going with him to hear what he’s being told? Or should I just leave it at peace and forget that he’s a JW and keep on praying he comes back to the CC one day?
Leave him in God’s hands. And when he’s home just love him. ❤️ Be a witness to your own Catholic faith for him. Be the best wife you can be and if it is hard for you to do sometimes then offer it up. 👍
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yessisan:
Last night he went to his school of theocratic ministry meeting, and I was angry at him for having gone. I am sick w/the flu, so asked him to stay w/me because I really didn’t want to be alone last night, but he still went. All he said was “I never ask you to miss Mass”… ughhh I was so angry I just said that I only go 1 hour or so a week not 5 a week!
Being angry is not good. 😦 Let go of your anger as best you can. Ask God for Grace to do this. You can offer up your flu and your anger to Jesus, with love. ❤️
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yessisan:
So yeah, the whole 2 hours he was gone I felt miserable thinking the whole time “what are they teaching him now?” But in a way I got my way again, while he was gone, I finally had the courage to put up a picture of baby Jesus and 2 marble angels I got from my grandma a while ago, plus a Rosary and a scapular I always used to hang on those angels… I put it off for so long just so it wouldn’t bother him, but I finally decided it was time to do it…
It’s good you did that. But I hope it wasn’t out of revenge for your husband. Perhaps just a wee bit was because of that? But at least now they’re up, so that’s good. 😉
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yessisan:
Aside from that, I still wonder if I should go or not to his meetings to keep myself informed.
I think you might need a break for awhile. Don’t you think? Just Trust in Jesus Christ and Trust that God will do His work on your husband. 😉 Just remember to love your husband when he is home. If it’s hard, do it anyway. Love is a decision. I like to think of it as a decision (noun) that will lead to showing him that you love him (verb). ❤️
 
Would it not be easier to just stick a listening device in his suit so you can hear it remotely? Just follow along with the reading material he has to pour over every week and look at his highlighted notations and bingo dont need to go.

Its not like you will be missing any independent thought being spoken there.

You might miss the time or two when the mike goes bannanas and your ears ring for hours as a result.

You really are not missing much. Unless they do another flip flop (and arent they about due for another now)??

I think they are putting the breaks on any new teachings since every time they do it opens up more trouble for them they cant deal with.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i85/Alegre-Fe/Emoticons/Laughhaha.gif I like that listening device thing! 😉

J/K… Don’t bother. I wouldn’t even ask him any questions when he comes home. At least not for the first few weeks he goes without you. You’ll probably notice he will be wondering why you’re not asking him anything. Instead you’ll be giving him hugs when he comes home and giving him a shoulder massage because he’s tired. He’ll think someone snatched you. http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i85/Alegre-Fe/Emoticons/Laughing.gif Unless you normally do that. 😉
 
Yessisan, I haven’t read all the posts here. I’ve read most of them and I hope I don’t repeat anything anyone else has said. If you want to know anything about JW’s you have no need to go to the KH or even talk to one. For everything you need to know about JW’s look to the Catholic Church. There are any number of people who can tell you what they believe, tell you all about their meetings and literature and how to answer them. Get into you own faith and you will answer any JW. I recently bought a book how to answer JW’s. You don’t need to go to the KH, look to your own faith.
 
I heartily agree with the other posters who have said “Don’t Go!”. As has been stated you can learn everything that they are saying to him from the various websites that have been posted. What you cannot learn from websites is what your husband is thinking. That is going to take good old communication and that can be done at home. When he goes to Kingdom Hall, I would head straight to church, if you have the opportunity. Go to Mass if they have it at that time. If not, pray in front of the Blessed Sacrament that your husband may not succumb to the deceptions at KH. Pray a rosary for him. Offer up all the pain involved, which I’m sure is significant. It sounds like you have brushed up on what JW’s teach, but I would really prepare yourself (if you haven’t already). Memorize the list of scripture that counteracts the “out of context” scripture that they are teaching him. You know the drill, I’m sure. 🙂
 
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