I don’t know that anything ‘good’ came out of it. But like everything else, we all have to work with what we’ve got.
When you figure out how to instill self respect, integrity and good old fashioned moral values in someone who thinks there’s nothing wrong with premarital sex or ‘casual’ sex, let me know
It’s frustrating to have someone laugh in your face when you mention chastity, because they think everything goes and they are exactly where they want to be in life. As a single, chaste woman sucessful in her life and career, I am exactly where I want to be. But I’m as happy with myself as the next person. So how does one convince them they are wrong, when they think you are wrong?Not so. Fornication is the sin.
Your conclusion does not follow from your premise (which is also flawed). Your logic is completely flawed and your question is nonsensical.
Because they have nothing to do with each other.
There is no line to draw.
You are basically saying that because a law exists therefore it is legitimate. That makes no sense. All types of laws have existed that are unjust. Authentic medical has to be grounded in more than opinion or law. If not, than we are sociopaths.The only laws that matter in this world are the laws that govern the medical community, and those laws protect contraceptives and give people easier access to them. One cannot obligate another person to follow laws dicated by one’s relgion, at least not in this world. And there is no way to enforce them anyway. The only way to conform the laws to this world, to the laws in the next world, is by changing them, not denying they exist. One can cover their ears, close their eyes and ignore something or someone, but be assured, someone or somethingis still thereSo saying they’re not, just makes it silly, not real.
Correct. But that doesn’t change the way some people treat those who have gotten pregnant out of wedlock because they can’t remember that.
Like others have already said, having a child outside of wedlock is not a sin. Using contracceptives or engaging in premarital sex are considered sins, not conceiving, giving birth or caring for a child, even if that child is illegitimate.
The line to be drawn then is between sin and non-sin. Since conception, birth, and care of a child is not a sin, even if the child is illegitimate, then your argument falls apart, of course no one would try to restrict such coverage! The problem comes in with contraceptives, the use of which as contraceptives is sinful, which is why catholics do not want to be forced to violate their conciences by participating in sin. Huge difference between the two.I’m saying that birth control methods are a part of legitimate health care and included in preventative health care. Denying it doesn’t make it so, it just makes someone look like they’re stamping their feet and pitching a fit, but in the end that’s all it is because it won’t make a difference. What matters is one goes to a healthcare facility, sees a healthcare professional, is prescribed treatment by a healthcare professional, insurance companies are billed and pay for service and all of this is a part of a legitimate legal medical record. That’s all that matters. Not someone’s opinion on it. It’s hard to take someone seriously when they deny an obvious fact. It’s much easier to interact with someone who wants to change something they don’t like, rather than just deny its existence because they don’t believe it’s relevent in their book of rules.
Sometimes, medications which suppresses a naturally functioning system is the treatment for an illness; immunosuppressant drugs. I.E.—suppressing hormones for an overactive thyroid, immunity suppression for cancer treatment and organ transplant, suppression of folic acid for arthritis treatment,etc.
All the things listed treat pathology. When taking hormone medication to suppress fertility to avoid pregnancy what pathology is being treated?
That does not make it healthcare anymore than forced sterilization is healthcare. That something is done does make it legitimate unless we define legitimate as legal.
I guess you would say that to those who were against slavery too.
Legal, but not legitimate. Unless reality is self defined.
That is all that matters to you. Now we know how what happend in Germany happend.
I see. So if it exists, it is legitimate. When euthanasia is in full swing will those about to be murdered hold your views of reality too?
Forced sterilization isn’t healthcare. Sterilization is part of healthcare in the US and other countries as well.
The reality is that birth control is a part of legitimate healthare.
Not just to me
We’re not talking about euthanasia. We’re talking about what is included in healthcare today.
If it is legal,by your own standard, is healthcare.
It is not authentic healthcare. Unless we redefine healthcare as viewing normal cycles being pathologic.
To those that do not think critically, ok?Not just to me
We are talking about how healthcare is defined as in legitimate versus illegitimate.
Yes, people who think critically know that birth control treatments are part of legitimate healthcare. Lawyers, doctors and nurses are all capable of critical thinking, or they wouldn’t be able to do their jobs. So it’s a false statement to claim that only those who can’t think critically would recognize this fact. The fact is, some don’t agree with them. But those who don’t agree with them really don’t have any influence over those who are actually setting the standards and making the decisions (at least not enough of them exist to do so). Healthcare is defined as legitimate versus illegitimate not by the common layperson, but by those actually making those decisions. And they have determined that birth control is part of healthcare and legitimate at that. I understand this stresses you, but until that changes, that’s the way it is.
I think those people who think that the Church will change their mind about contraception just don’t understand the teaching or the rationales behind the teaching. If they understood about the requirements of the unitive and procreative properties, they would know that the Church can’t change its teaching in this matter because it would contradict infallible teachings. In fact the same rules that apply to contraception apply to gay marriage, premarital sex, extramarital sex, cohabitation, etc. The foundation would have to change, and it won’t. It can’t.
Sure it is a covered code but it is not really medical care. What illness is being treated?
Indoctrination can lead you to hold erroneous views. There are physicians that understand that supressing fertility for no legitimate reason is not medical care, are they wrong?
Again, that some group proclaims something does not change reality. For example, the state says murdering an unborn baby is fine. That does not change the essence of the act or what is being done. It is not legitimate in any authentic sense of the term. It is only “legitimate” to those who are misinformed and look to credentialed misfits as their authority.
The code would be the one for preventing pregancy, again, it’s preventative care.
It’s their opinion, and their entitled to it. But their opinion will not get the claim denied by the insurance company, because it’s a legitimate billing code, matched with a covered diganosis, which is under preventative care.
Yes, that’s correct. And the reality is, legitimate healthcare is obtained in the healthcare field, obtained by legitimate healthcare professionals, and paid by insurance companies and medicare/medicaid.
They don’t have to.
