SHOULD IT be a sin to obsess over what is a sin and what isn't?

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Quite the bulk of this forum seems to be about what’s a sin and what isn’t. Instead of people focusing on Jesus they get tied up in scrupulosity and chasing the devil that they forget what God has planned for them.

So my question is: SHOULD IT be a sin for people to obsess over sins? Their desire to avoid sin is a truly noble one, and, in many cases, shows an intimate desire to do the will of God and avoid offending Him. However, they let what is a sin and what isn’t one plague their minds, and then once they slip up they often find themselves wallowing in self pity, and often times bounded by those sins.

This is a rhetorical question by the way.
 
Thinking continually of negatives, of unlove which is sin, draw you into that.
Our ‘parents’ in the Garden of Eden", instead of rejoicing in all the gifts God had freely given them, began to focus upon only what they couldn’t have, and so craving it, succumbed to sin.

Scripture tells us

" Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things". Philippians 4:8
 
Quite the bulk of this forum seems to be about what’s a sin and what isn’t. Instead of people focusing on Jesus they get tied up in scrupulosity and chasing the devil that they forget what God has planned for them.

So my question is: SHOULD IT be a sin for people to obsess over sins? Their desire to avoid sin is a truly noble one, and, in many cases, shows an intimate desire to do the will of God and avoid offending Him. However, they let what is a sin and what isn’t one plague their minds, and then once they slip up they often find themselves wallowing in self pity, and often times bounded by those sins.

This is a rhetorical question by the way.
I agree that some people obsess too much at times. I told some youngsters lately that some people seem to think that once an act is not a mortal sin, then it’s okay to do—after all, it’s only a venial sin, they muse…not that bad. Rather, I told them, their attitude should be, "if it’s a sin, it’s a sin—don’t do it, venial, mortal, whatever.

Yes, focusing so much on sin can be a bit limiting—rather than only focusing on “what should I avoid doing?” one should spend at least as much time asking “what should I do in following God’s will? What am I not doing that I could be doing?”
 
BAHAHAHAHA!!! I love the irony of this question.

Anyways, no, it’s not a sin. But it is counterproductive. Jesus wants us to focus our energy in loving Him, not in obsessing over sin. The more we love Him and the closer we are to Him, the more naturally these answers will come to us, and the more prone we will become to doing the right things without even thinking about it so much.
 
Here’s a practical answer to your rhetorical question. Many of the folks who obsess over the sinfulness of this or that act have the spiritual disease of scrupulosity. They greatly fear committing sins, and on top of that, their consciences are not working properly to be of help to them. They worry constantly in a kind of pathological way about whether just about everything they do is a sin. If obessing over what is sinful were a sin in and of itself, those poor people would be pushed right over the edge. They’d be all tied up in knots over the question, “Am I going to hell because I’m worried about going to hell?”

For those of us who do not suffer with this spiritual disease, I agree that it is much better to keep our eyes on Jesus and strive to be like Him than to concentrate on sins all the time. However, a certain amount of education is needed in order to form the conscience properly. Some questions are appropriate in the course of this education which is necessary in the course of attaining Christian maturity.
 
On this earth journeying to heaven, we reach conclusions through reasoning principles and ideas. This requires the so-called “scrupulosity” of determining what is sinful and what is not to the best of our abilities aided by grace. The Church’s Catechism is a large book for this reason. Scruples is mainly a condition where one sees sin where there is none.
An unfounded apprehension and consequently unwarranted fear that something is a sin which, as a matter of fact, is not. It is not considered here so much as an isolated act, but rather as an habitual state of mind known to directors of souls as a “scrupulous conscience.” St. Alphonsus describes it as a condition in which one influenced by trifling reasons, and without any solid foundation, is often afraid that sin lies where it really does not. … The judgment is seriously warped, the moral power tired out in futile combat, and then not unfrequently the scrupulous person makes shipwreck of salvation either on the Scylla of despair or the Charybdis of unheeding indulgence in vice.
Scrupulosity being a condition, if one mitigates it easily and quickly, it isn’t scruples. If one worries more about scruples than sin, it could be indifference.
 
Quite the bulk of this forum seems to be about what’s a sin and what isn’t. Instead of people focusing on Jesus they get tied up in scrupulosity and chasing the devil that they forget what God has planned for them.

So my question is: SHOULD IT be a sin for people to obsess over sins? Their desire to avoid sin is a truly noble one, and, in many cases, shows an intimate desire to do the will of God and avoid offending Him. However, they let what is a sin and what isn’t one plague their minds, and then once they slip up they often find themselves wallowing in self pity, and often times bounded by those sins.

This is a rhetorical question by the way.
Great question!! One that gives pause for consideration.

For me the answer needs to be no and this is why…
To say that obsessing over sins is a sin would only create another thing for scrupulous types to obsess over. It becomes self defeating.
One would have to define at what point “concern” becomes “worry” becomes “obsessing” and for those suffering from scrupulocity this can be difficult/impossible thing to do.
So on a very practical level, it is nearly impossible to define this as a sin.

Now from another view, such obsessing already is a “sin” though not in a “formal” sense.
The Hebrew and Greek terms that we translate as “Sin” are:
Chata’ (Hebrew)
to sin, miss, miss the way, go wrong, incur guilt, forfeit, purify from uncleanness
Hamartano, (Greek)
To be without a share in; to miss the mark; to err, be mistaken; to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honor; to do or go wrong; to wander from the law of God, violate God’s law, sin
It’s fairly easy to see that, “incurring guilt” or “violating the law of God”, is a sin for these things are generally written out for us. But what about the meanings underlined; to err, to miss the mark, to miss the way, to go wrong? These require that we know what the “Mark” or “the way” is. So this becomes a matter of focus.

Think of any sport that requires hitting a target, Archery, Pitching a baseball, kicking a soccer ball. In each of these things consider what the focus is. The focus is on the target, not on the things that are not target. A person shooting an arrow is not interested in what is NOT the target, but only on what IS the target. The same is true for a pitcher or a soccer player. The goal is the goal is the goal and whatever is NOT the goal is unimportant and to be avoided.

The problem with those who obsess about sin, and even to some degree to those who “merely” worry about it is that they are not focusing on the goal, but on what is NOT the goal. How well do you think a pitcher would do if he was constantly thinking about all the places he should NOT throw the ball? Obviously he would not do well at all. Only by focusing on the target, and honing his skills at hitting the target does he improve. If he misses on this pitch, he makes adjustment so he hits it on the next pitch. The focus cannot be on the mistake made, but on the adjustment and the next pitch. The focus must remain the same - on the target.

Christ tells us not to worry. He also tells us to strive to enter the narrow gate. He is telling us to focus on the goal.
He describes the right road as narrow and the wrong road as wide. He is telling us that the target, the area of our focus, is specific and we need to focus on our goal so that we choose the right path.

Knowledge of what sin is, is a good thing. “Following the rules”, is fine from the standpoint of training and discipline. But it is our focus, our ability to keep our eye on the target, that is important.

Peace
James
 
Quite the bulk of this forum seems to be about what’s a sin and what isn’t. Instead of people focusing on Jesus they get tied up in scrupulosity and chasing the devil that they forget what God has planned for them.

So my question is: SHOULD IT be a sin for people to obsess over sins? Their desire to avoid sin is a truly noble one, and, in many cases, shows an intimate desire to do the will of God and avoid offending Him. However, they let what is a sin and what isn’t one plague their minds, and then once they slip up they often find themselves wallowing in self pity, and often times bounded by those sins.

This is a rhetorical question by the way.
True scrupulosity is a psychological disorder–it is obsessive-compulsive disorder working itself out within the framework of religion. Mental illness is not a sin.

Even to frame the issue into this kind of question would torment someone who suffers from the disorder…
 
Quite the bulk of this forum seems to be about what’s a sin and what isn’t. Instead of people focusing on Jesus they get tied up in scrupulosity and chasing the devil that they forget what God has planned for them.

So my question is: SHOULD IT be a sin for people to obsess over sins? Their desire to avoid sin is a truly noble one, and, in many cases, shows an intimate desire to do the will of God and avoid offending Him. However, they let what is a sin and what isn’t one plague their minds, and then once they slip up they often find themselves wallowing in self pity, and often times bounded by those sins.

This is a rhetorical question by the way.
To obsess is bad - to be vigilant is good.,

We here the prayer of the priest every Sunday at mass when he says, " keep us from every evil and all anxiety".
We are at war, a war that intensifies at every moment of every day.

We must be confident that our Rosary prayers are supernaturally effective against the wickedness and snares of the devil.

It is good to believe “in God” but we must also deepen our faith by “believing Him”.

Trust in the Lord and be vigilant.
 
Quite the bulk of this forum seems to be about what’s a sin and what isn’t. Instead of people focusing on Jesus they get tied up in scrupulosity and chasing the devil that they forget what God has planned for them.

So my question is: SHOULD IT be a sin for people to obsess over sins? Their desire to avoid sin is a truly noble one, and, in many cases, shows an intimate desire to do the will of God and avoid offending Him. However, they let what is a sin and what isn’t one plague their minds, and then once they slip up they often find themselves wallowing in self pity, and often times bounded by those sins.

This is a rhetorical question by the way.
No, it’s not a sin, nor should it be. It’s a sickness. It’s called scrupulosity and it is a terrible psychological condition that afflicts many, many people. It is in the family of OCD and we must pray for people who suffer from this condition.

I suggest you not be so flip or so quick to judge others who suffer terribly and need professional help. They reach out here and hopefully some are able to be pointed in the direction of professional help. Some have no idea that they have a spiritual illness unless someone informs them.
 
I don’t know that much about Catholics, but I used to be a Christian and the BIGGEST thing that pushed me away from all the mess of organized religion was this need to find every nook and cranny of sin anywhere in your life. When it comes down to it, if you think god is real, didn’t he send his son to die for all of it? Isn’t that like the whole point? From when I read over the Bible all I saw was Jesus being all nice and stuff and healing people, not going around to synagogues and telling them condoms send you to hell. TBH, alot of people here remind me of those pharisees or whatever, looking towards the flesh and traditions instead of towards god for all your needs. And that bible verse with like “think on the good stuff”, that should be enough reason for people to get out of this muck of criticising everything anyone does. And mortal sin? Don’t even get me started.

(I didn’t read back through this so I have no clue what I said at all, I may have rabbit trailed)
 
I don’t know that much about Catholics, but I used to be a Christian and the BIGGEST thing that pushed me away from all the mess of organized religion was this need to find every nook and cranny of sin anywhere in your life. When it comes down to it, if you think god is real, didn’t he send his son to die for all of it? Isn’t that like the whole point?
Since you say that you don’t know much about Catholics but that you were a Christian, I must assume that your background was protestant. Christ Came and died for our sins. He had to die to redeem us because of our sins and not to expunge our responsibility for our actions. The need to “root out” sin in our lives goes to a number of very clear Bible verses starting with this one:
Mt 5:48 “You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect
And this one:
Luke 13:24 “"Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
In fact, read all of Mt 5, 6 and 7. Look at what Christ is teaching and requiring of his followers, not only intheir actions but in their mode of thought.

If Christ died in place of our sins and we ave no further culpability then what is the reason for His preaching as he did? I know that there are a number of ecclesial communites out there who do preach this sort of doctrine, but it flies in the face of much of the Teachings of Christ as well as the teachings of the Apostles recorded in their letters.
From when I read over the Bible all I saw was Jesus being all nice and stuff and healing people, not going around to synagogues and telling them condoms send you to hell.
Jesus WAS loving and caring to people, he was also firm and unwavering in his warnings to both the diciples as well as to the Jewish leadership. I suggest you go back and reread the Gospels and I think you will see what I mean.
TBH, alot of people here remind me of those pharisees or whatever, looking towards the flesh and traditions instead of towards god for all your needs.
I agree that some can become trapped in “legalism” like the pharasees, but not all. The Church’s teachings are firmly grounded in biblical principles and founded on the Great commandments of Love (Mt 22:36-40)
And that bible verse with like “think on the good stuff”, that should be enough reason for people to get out of this muck of criticising everything anyone does.
I don’t recognize the verse you are refering to could you clarify where it is at?
And mortal sin? Don’t even get me started.
OK, I won’t

Peace
James
 
It can’t be a sin because it is wanting to do God’s will. But yes, there is quite a bit of overkill on it. A priest once told me to not ask “is this a sin?” but rather “does this bring me closer to God?”
 
Quite the bulk of this forum seems to be about what’s a sin and what isn’t. Instead of people focusing on Jesus they get tied up in scrupulosity and chasing the devil that they forget what God has planned for them.

So my question is: SHOULD IT be a sin for people to obsess over sins? Their desire to avoid sin is a truly noble one, and, in many cases, shows an intimate desire to do the will of God and avoid offending Him. However, they let what is a sin and what isn’t one plague their minds, and then once they slip up they often find themselves wallowing in self pity, and often times bounded by those sins.

This is a rhetorical question by the way.
There is an element of truth to what you say, however it is incomplete. First off, overscrupolicity does stem from pride and leads to a very confused conscience. It is sinful, however most people who are overscruplous are not deliberately that way. The solution also is not to ignore sin and to abandon examining your conscience and going to confession. The solution is to educate your conscience, to grow in faith and thus to move from the motivation of fearing Hell all the way to the motivation of loving God.

Overall, its just a part of the spiritual journey. Our goal should be to educate, to be patient and to strive to encourage people on in their journey. That said, our advise will never be perfect because we aren’t yet saints either. This is why having the saints to look up to can be so benefiticial.
 
True scrupulosity is a psychological disorder–it is obsessive-compulsive disorder working itself out within the framework of religion. Mental illness is not a sin.

Even to frame the issue into this kind of question would torment someone who suffers from the disorder…
Important to note:

Scrupulosity or scruples “can be” related to OCD …or a manifestation of such.

But is not per se = OCD.

A person with scruples etc need not have “OCD” but yes it is possible for Scrupulosity to be OCD.

But it is also to be noted that some approaches to assisting those with OCD can be similar or effective too for those with varying degrees of scruples.

PS: Of course having a difficulty with scruples and/or OCD per se are not sins…they are a difficulty that needs to be addressed…and one should certainly have a regular confessor. Who can help them know what is sin and what is scruple. Scruples are to be treated like a barking dog or hissing goose…one does not stop to argue with either of those!
 
So my question is: SHOULD IT be a sin for people to obsess over sins? .
no it is not a sin but it could be a disorder both spiritual and psychological and the remedy is the proper spiritual direction and professional counselling.
 
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