Should Latin mass be brought back?

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People are messy, and if you read the Gospels and the Epistles, nothing much has changed in 2000 years.

“Unfortunately, we have less-than-stellar Masses being said in many, if not most churches IMHO.” Given that there are nearly 17,300 parishes in the US, perhaps you might want to reconsider that comment…

And I seriously doubt you will find the Kyrie being sung in Latin. 😆
 
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po18guy said:
I agree with Fr. Mitch Pacwa: Forget Latin! Let’s go 100% authentic and revert to the Aramaic mass! Talk about the last supper being made present to us!
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The Church already has that, the Chaldean Divine Liturgy. There are two Chaldean Catholic parishes within reasonable driving distance from my house, and I take the kids there occasionally for precisely that reason
 
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And I seriously doubt you will find the Kyrie being sung in Latin.
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Good one! Or half of the responses to the Improperes on Good Friday for that matter 😉

And yes, the local abbey chants the Improperes in GREEK and Latin every good Friday!

And they do also in fact chant the Kyrie every day… in GREEK 😉
 
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I believe the simple solution to this is as follows. The heart of the diocese Cathedral should offer a daily EF Mass in all dioceses. It should already be like that.

I almost dropped dead when I was in NYC and even St. Patrick’s Cathredral doesn’t offer an EF Mass? Seriously?
 
I am not exactly sure why you feel that a diocesan/archdiocesan cathedral should offer the EF Mass; perhaps cathedrals elsewhere are different. However, out here in Oregon, the cathedral is one of the 300+ parishes. As such, it would seem that the normal rules and procedures of Summorum Pontificum would apply - namely a stable group of sufficient size to justify scheduling the EF.

Perhaps St. Patrick’s is different as it might attract more visitors on a regular basis; but given that the vast majority of Mass goers attend the OF, one would presume that they would expect to attend the OF at any given cathedral since that is the norm.

Certainly nothing in SP indicates that Pope Benedict intended for the EF to be a “showpiece”, something on display.

As an aside, several years ago I attended Sunday Mass at the cathedral in Salt Lake. They had a children’s choir that was excellent, singing in Latin. However, the Mass was the OF; I would have been very greatly surprised to find otherwise.
 
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otjm said:
I am not exactly sure why you feel that a diocesan/archdiocesan cathedral should offer the EF Mass; perhaps cathedrals elsewhere are different. However, out here in Oregon, the cathedral is one of the 300+ parishes. As such, it would seem that the normal rules and procedures of Summorum Pontificum would apply - namely a stable group of sufficient size to justify scheduling the EF.
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Agreed, and the cathedral where our schola sings from time to time grapples with the same lack of vocations that parishes have. There’s a dean of the cathedral, and the archbishop, one daily Mass, and thee Sunday Masses.

There is an indult EF parish (before SP was promulgated), in a rural parish some 100 km away, that is the focal point of a very traditionalist local community, and that shared the parish with the OF folk. Alas that community has become very divided and much of the EF crowd have left for the SSPX.
 
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Latin mass was never really gone. It was allowed somewhat, and when Pope B16 released his motu proprio Summorum Pontificum, it become much more available. I can name at least four parishes within an hour’s drive of my house that offer the TLM at least once a month. One offers it weekly, and another offers all EF all the time! I’ve been to EF masses probably 12 times in the last three years. I know that some people love it. So if there’s demand for the EF, which I know there is, there is now a “supply market” that will support it.

I am 100% opposed to making the TLM back into the ordinary form of the mass.
 
I’m 25 years old and I too would love to have the Tridentine mass available to me on Sunday. Alas, I live in a rural area and I don’t think any of the priests in my area would be willing to do it.
 
I think it would be lovely if the usual OF form of mass were closer to a high OF mass than a low one, but I don’t think Latin should go back to being the OF. Most people want to know what is being said, and I feel like everything being said in Latin would be a serious stumbling block for converts to the faith. There’s nothing less reverent about a mass being said in the vernacular so that people can understand it. I myself gain a lot from the OF mass, even low ones, I think it’s beautiful. Sometimes I see people dressed in a way that I find inappropriate (wearing shorts for instance) but I don’t focus on it.

The masses at my OF parish aren’t irreverent in the least. Even the one mass with the contemporary choir isn’t irreverent. People who strongly disdain and demean the OF can come across as having religious pride, at times.
 
I wish more would do that. I feel there is much to learn from the Eastern rites.
 
Gingersnaps4 said:
I think it would be lovely if the usual OF form of mass were closer to a high OF mass than a low one, but I don’t think Latin should go back to being the OF.
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I like the way our abbey does it. It’s an OF Mass. Gregorian chant in Latin (and Greek Kyrie) is used for the Propers and Ordinary of the Mass. The prayers, responses, readings, EP, homily, are all in the vernacular (in this case, in French), and in plainchant (sung readings, sung EP). Every. Day. Of. The. Week. On Sundays, (and solemnities), there’s incense, and fancier tones for the French plainchant parts. It’s all very beautiful and people know what is going on for the most important parts of the Mass.

If anyone attended Mass at the abbey, they’d wonder what all the fuss is about with those who consider the OF somehow “less reverent” than the EF.
 
😄 We both know you know the answer to that - wish we had the old emojis. That calls for rofl…
 
The OF mass at your abbey sounds absolutely beautiful, and very reverent!
 
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