Should Latin mass be brought back?

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Okay it never went away. But I am in a young adult catholic group, and I can tell you right now there is an interest in the Tridentine Mass. Actually one time we had a lecture about how Luther and Calvin would be rejoicing at the new Ordinary form of Mass.
Young people love the sacredness of the Tridentine Mass which was on existence from 1570-1970 as the ordinary form . And I am in agreement. I feel like the second Vatican council appeased to make Catholicism more like Protestantism. Who knows why. But going to an Anglican mass is basically the same as Catholic mass now . We should learn from our Eastern Orthodox brethren to stay true to the tradition.
 
The Traditional Latin Mass is available in many parts of the US. If you like it, please attend. However, you don’t do yourself or anyone else any favors by smearing the current Mass. You just make yourself sound bad.
 
The Church herself has spoken on this.
It’s permitted where there is a demand.
Some of us do not prefer it but don’t try to dissuade people from going if they prefer it. I wish the people on the other side would do the same.
 
I can go on the first Friday of each month in one direction, and the first (I think) Sunday of each month in the other.
 
pianistclare said:
The Church herself has spoken on this.
It’s permitted where there is a demand.
Some of us do not prefer it but don’t try to dissuade people from going if they prefer it. I wish the people on the other side would do the same.
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Unfortunately - some end up drinking the toxic “trad” koolaid
 
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jas84173 said:
Okay it never went away. But I am in a young adult catholic group, and I can tell you right now there is an interest in the Tridentine Mass. Actually one time we had a lecture about how Luther and Calvin would be rejoicing at the new Ordinary form of Mass.
Young people love the sacredness of the Tridentine Mass which was on existence from 1570-1970 as the ordinary form . And I am in agreement. I feel like the second Vatican council appeased to make Catholicism more like Protestantism. Who knows why. But going to an Anglican mass is basically the same as Catholic mass now .
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You know, it’s okay if you want to like it better. But please, don’t come here and insult those of us that were around before and after Vatican II. You have nothing to compare in reality except what you have read and have heard. Young people love the sacredness of a mass you never experienced? Vatican II appeased nothing to make Catholicism more like Protestantism. That is a ridiculous statement.
 
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You have nothing to compare in reality except what you have read and have heard. Young people love the sacredness of a mass you never experienced
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Yes he does…he is comparing the post-Vatican II New Order of Mass with the Traditional Mass. Why would you need to be born before the Council to make this comparison?
 
Intrinsically, yes. No doubt.

Extrinsically…well…Gregorian Chant and incense convey the sacred nature of the Mass better than banjos (the latter which you simply will never see at the Traditional Mass.)
 
R_H_Benson said:
Intrinsically, yes. No doubt.

Extrinsically…well…Gregorian Chant and incense convey the sacred nature of the Mass better than banjos (the latter which you simply will never see at the Traditional Mass.)
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Well – if those who attend the EF --walk out of Mass thumbing their nose at the OF and those who attend – doesn’t look like all that Chant/incense/etc. — did much for them.
 
Very true. There should be no thumbing of noses from either party. However, a good and honest discussion can’t hurt.
 
jas84173 said:
I feel like the second Vatican council appeased to make Catholicism more like Protestantism. Who knows why. But going to an Anglican mass is basically the same as Catholic mass now . We should learn from our Eastern Orthodox brethren to stay true to the tradition.
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  • The OF Mass was not crafted to make it “more like Protestantism.”
  • The Anglican service isn’t valid. It couldn’t be anymore different than the Catholic Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
  • The Catholic Ordinariate Mass however is quite beautiful and it can be understood without a missalette.
  • If we’re going to learn from anyone, let’s make it the Eastern Catholics.
  • The Orthodox have changed PLENTY in the past 2K years!
 
R_H_Benson said:
Intrinsically, yes. No doubt.

Extrinsically…well…Gregorian Chant and incense convey the sacred nature of the Mass better than banjos (the latter which you simply will never see at the Traditional Mass.)
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I have’t heard much GC in the last several EF Masses I have attended. I’ve never heard a banjo being played at the celebration of the OF, but I have heard a number of harmoniums being played at EF Masses which sounded a great deal like gelding time on the ranch.
 
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But there’s not even any of those things at the Low TLM…soooo…
 
I was replying to RH Benson who was talking about EF and it having incense and chant.

Which is not even fully true because only the High TLM utilizes that. the Low TLM does not. Whereas the OF is free to utilize both, or neither, depending on the needs of the parish. Also, a Low Mass dosn’t make use of a Decon, whereas many EF do.

In many ways, the EF is set up much more efficiently as a flexible and maneuverable worship, allowing the focus to be on the Mass and not the pageantry.

EDIT: Just saw your fix.
 
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The OF Mass was not crafted to make it “more like Protestantism.”
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Sure it was. This is a historically verifiable fact. One of the principle goals of Archbishop Bugnini’s Consilium was to ensure that the New Order of Mass would not antagonize the Protestants - err, I’m sorry “our Separated Brethren” (to use the words of the Council). This isn’t conspiratorial nonsense. All this info is out there in plain sight.

Here are the names of the Protestants who worked closely with Archbishop Bugnini and his Consilium to create the New Order of Mass:
  1. A. Raymond George (Methodist)
  2. Ronald Jaspar (Anglican)
  3. Massey Shepherd (Episcopalian)
  4. Friedrich Künneth (Lutheran)
  5. Eugene Brand (Lutheran)[5]
  6. Max Thurian (Calvinist-community of Taize).
Archbishop Bugnini himself said in 1965:

“We must strip from our Catholic prayers and from the Catholic liturgy everything which can be the shadow of a stumbling block for our separated brethren that is for the Protestants…”
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The Anglican service isn’t valid. It couldn’t be anymore different than the Catholic Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
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You’re right. But again, you’re not looking at the OP’s intention. The modern Anglican service and the New Order of Mass are almost identical in their outward trappings.
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The Catholic Ordinariate Mass however is quite beautiful and it can be understood without a missalette.
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Duesenberg said:
The Catholic Ordinariate Mass however is quite beautiful and it can be understood without a missalette.
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True. However, in my opinion, to favor the Ordinariate Mass over the Traditional Mass of the Roman Rite because it can be “understood without a missal” instead of taking the time and effort to familiarize oneself with the Traditional Roman Rite is a shallow reason for betraying one’s own patrimony.
 
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