Should Latin mass be brought back?

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Mark121359 said:
I think many on here are focused way too much on the understanding, or lack thereof, of Latin. To me the EF Mass involves much, much more than just what the ears alone can take in. I find that all of the senses are fully engaged. All of these senses working together as one makes it exactly as Fr. Faber described it; “The Most Beautiful Thing This Side of Heaven.”
"It is, the most beautiful thing this side of heaven, It came forth out of the grand mind of the Church and lifted us out of earth and out of self, and wrapped us round in a cloud of mystical sweetness and the sublimities of a more than angelic liturgy, and purified us almost without ourselves and charmed us with celestial charming, so that our very senses seemed to find vision, hearing, fragrance, taste and touch more than ear can give.”

~Fr. Frederick Faber~
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And the EF doesn’t? This is the kind of mystique was talking about earlier. EF or TLM is no more Holy or beautiful than OF.
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I do not think that those calling for a greater number of Latin masses being available to a greater number of people are stating that ‘all the issues would be solved and the OF a thing of the past if people just knew Latin.’

I think that’s kind of a strawman argument.
 
OK, but I think in the old days it was more about learning the correct answers than reflecting on a journey. I was just a kid so for me it was pretty strict in parochial school with those tough sisters.
 
I likewise. However, I enjoyed the sisters (Sisters of Mercy for me), and the Latin, and my missals, and the Mass itself (I was probably one of the last people in the diocese to be confirmed at a "Latin Mass’ as the changeover came in 1966 in our diocese, and I was confirmed in 1965 at age 8-1/2), and above all the Baltimore catechism. Maybe I was extra lucky in my teachers, but they really really went for our knowing WHY with regard to the answers and not just being able to ‘give the right answer and get the holy card’ (though I have to admit I really liked being able to do that too).
 
Well what is the argument? Simply that EF should be more available? Why not let demand create supply and not artificially try to create it.
 
Who cares if people follow with a Missal? I own a daily missal for the new rite as well. Some people just enjoy reading along. Some lectors aren’t that easy to understand.
 
It’s a little more of a challenge than ‘one in Being’ but you know, I find that my children and grandchildren’s generations are far more confused about the Trinity than we ever were with “consubstantionem”. So many think of Jesus and the Father as some kind of Siamese twin-like thing whose 'Jesus part" went down to earth, and when He ascended, the ‘human part’ dropped off and now they’re back to one ‘big One Being’. As for the Holy Spirit, they don’t even try, a lot of them, to think of Him at all!
 
I don’t think it’s artificially created.

You and I remember the Latin Mass. But a huge part of the current US Catholic population doesn’t. And most of that huge part never saw anything of the EF for decades.

Imagine if today’s Catholics were suddenly told there would be no more vernacular Mass and were presented with a Mass that was all dance and sign language. The penitential rite was changed to a person dancing up to the altar and prostrating himself. The Kyrie would be axed. The Gloria would be in sign language with mostly waving of tambourines and wafting of draperies and hands raised at the end to the ceiling.

There would be a sign language gospel while the dancers ‘acted out’ one of a set of perhaps a dozen of the ‘parable gospels’.

No creed, everybody just joining hands.

The host raised to heaven, and everybody coming forward and receiving a hunk of unleavened bread. Back to pews, a dance of ‘thanks’, and done.

And imagine that lasted for 40 years. And 99% of the people never saw anything else, and what they heard about the OF before was about how sterile and wrong it was.

And then suddenly, people would be asked if they would like to learn about the ‘OF’.

After 40 years of experiencing the above ‘service’, just what percent do you think would be interested in having the OF available to THEM on a regular basis?
 
Yes. Crazy it was.
I enjoy the OF but I wish I could experience the EF too. However, I would never want to ‘get rid of’ the OF.
 
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I don’t think it’s artificially created.

You and I remember the Latin Mass. But a huge part of the current US Catholic population doesn’t. And most of that huge part never saw anything of the EF for decades.

Imagine if today’s Catholics were suddenly told there would be no more vernacular Mass and were presented with a Mass that was all dance and sign language. The penitential rite was changed to a person dancing up to the altar and prostrating himself. The Kyrie would be axed. The Gloria would be in sign language with mostly waving of tambourines and wafting of draperies and hands raised at the end to the ceiling.

There would be a sign language gospel while the dancers ‘acted out’ one of a set of perhaps a dozen of the ‘parable gospels’.

No creed, everybody just joining hands.

The host raised to heaven, and everybody coming forward and receiving a hunk of unleavened bread. Back to pews, a dance of ‘thanks’, and done.

And imagine that lasted for 40 years. And 99% of the people never saw anything else, and what they heard about the OF before was about how sterile and wrong it was.

And then suddenly, people would be asked if they would like to learn about the ‘OF’.

After 40 years of experiencing the above ‘service’, just what percent do you think would be interested in having the OF available to THEM on a regular basis?
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You do know there are valid ASL masses performed by deaf priests, correct? Which are only possible due to the OF.

There’s no dancing about in them, though, sorry to dissapoint.
 
I think your analogy is pretty extreme. I have no idea how many people.

What we long for is a meaningful liturgy. For some that means more formal, solemn, and reverent. For others it means more celebration, joy, and a sense of God in our midst. And that was one of the turning points, wasn’t it? God among us rather than way up there.

To be honest I am finding The OF rather boring and trite (with some of those modern songs). Not that EF would be a remedy but maybe alternating Sundays would help. I do not attend daily anymore.
 
As you can see, I flip flop.

Perhaps we all need different things at different times.

The people here I know who are into TLM are all about vestments, chalices and all that and how much more beautiful they are. And I am like, Really? Come on. Is that what Jesus was all about?
 
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As you can see, I flip flop.

Perhaps we all need different things at different times.

The people here I know who are into TLM are all about vestments, chalices and all that and how much more beautiful they are. And I am like, Really? Come on. Is that what Jesus was all about?
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I have to say I LOVE the very clean, but very pretty vestments Father wore this week. The new green on gold was very pretty. Because the gold was in a field of green it was just so niiiiice. I do favor it to the ornate vestments, I have to say.

And the gravity of Lent really hits when the purple comes out and it is BARE. Sometimes less really is more.
 
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