Should Latin mass be brought back?

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R_H_Benson said:
Not really. You can sing as much Gregorian Chant as you like as beautifully as you like, but that doesn’t remedy the theological and doctrinal ambiguity inherent in the New Liturgy.
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Nonsense. That is you opinion, which I do not share.
 
The question I would ask is “Is that what receiving the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord and Savior all about?” " Does it really matter whether, This IS My Body, is said in the language of the people or is said in Latin"? If it really matters, it leads me to believe they have missed the whole point of the Mass.
 
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The question I would ask is “Is that what receiving the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord and Savior all about?” " Does it really matter whether, This IS My Body, is said in the language of the people or is said in Latin"? If it really matters, it leads me to believe they have missed the whole point of the Mass.
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It seems to me that some think more grace may be involved with Latin, vestments, adornments, incense, etc.
 
Many people are being led astray – by the falsehood that the EF offers more Grace over the OF.
 
The reductio ad absurdum of this line of thought is the idea that as long as the Words of Consecration are spoken validly, nothing else can add or subtract from the Mass. Does it really matter what language the words are spoken in? No. As long as they are spoken properly by a priest with the proper matter and intention, then Christ becomes fully present. But that misses the point. When Mass is offered, it should be offered with the utmost solemnity and reverence. For example, a priest dressed in Seattle Seahawks attire to offer Mass and a priest dressed to the nines in lace and Roman vestments both offer the same Sacrifice. Both Masses are intrinsically the same. But the one is offered in an objectively sacrilegious and irreverent manner, the other in a manner most fitting. Therefore, two valid Masses can differ greatly - not intrinsically, since both being valid Masses, both merit infinite graces - but extrinsically insofar as the sacrilege and irreverence of one Mass can lead to scandal, loss of faith, indifference towards the Blessed Sacrament, etc. while the Mass offered with greater reverence will lead to holy things and dispositions. Of course, these are extreme examples, but the principle holds true along the whole gamut.
 
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Well – the holiness of the priest makes an impact on Grace. So it kinda runs along the same lines.
 
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But no one here has claimed that the holiness of the priest has any effect on the validity of the sacraments he confects and adminsters. That would be Donatism.
 
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What would it profit to bring back the Latin Mass?
How rusty is your Latin?
Mine is quite Rusty, as I have never learned Latin.
My high school I went to stopped teaching Latin years ago.
So what would it profit to bring back the Latin Mass?
 
Then lets make it less extreme. Let’s take our average OF Mass celebrated in thousands of churches each Sunday and compare to our average EF Mass. EF leads to holier “things and dispositions”?
 
R_H_Benson said:
Therefore, two valid Masses can differ greatly - not intrinsically, since both being valid Masses, both merit infinite graces - but extrinsically insofar as the sacrilege and irreverence of one Mass can lead to scandal, loss of faith, indifference towards the Blessed Sacrament, etc. while the Mass offered with greater reverence will lead to holy things and dispositions. Of course, these are extreme examples, but the principle holds true along the whole gamut.
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People left the Church – back in the day–before the OF – and priests dressed to the nines. So dressing to the nines – was not sufficient to keep them in the Church.
 
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Salutations,
I gather, this feeling to renew Tridentine Mass, is coming about b/c of drop in congregation. It looks like some think it is related to post Vatican II changes. Well, I lived w Tridentine and through Council and changes. The drop in congregation size is related to priest abuse of children. In 1960 range a priest w Irish Name (Murphy of DONOVAN or Donahue,) taught young boys the SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY. He’s on YOUTUBE. He was directed to stop teaching that. The Bible hasn’t changed. Psychiatrists changed. My Psych book calls it a perversion. Then, a council of psychiatrist discussed homosexuality. Out of 10 doctors, 7 were homosexuals. So, the vote changed it to normal sexual behavior, Curious, it has been around for centuries. Greeks and Romans. Sodom and Gomorrah. Maybe Cain and Abel.
(Not really). Did it happen w less population w women?? God didn’t change…
So, twelve Apostles. One was representing EVIL! Judas shows there is EVIL in the church. There always will be. Our trying to teach what God says will get us sued for hate speech. God wanted this for a reason. One can’t procreate w homosexuality.
There is disease connected to it now. It has less mortality w more drugs. (NOT CHEAP).
Our sexuality is there to promote our procreation in marriage. Lust outside of marriage is sinful and has consequences.
Well, truly I am off topic but the reason for decrease in congregations isn’t because of a Latin mass.
Tridentine mass can be 1x per month or 1 on Sunday. Don’t cancel Mass in the vernacular of ppl.
Thank you
In Christ’s Love
Tweedlealice
 
And these same type of people have been thinking it for many, many years. Still doesn’t mean they are correct. Why don’t they worship the way they think is most pleasing to the Lord and allow the rest to do the same?
 
Some people have difficulty speaking in vernacular.

Ever listen to conversations?

Grammar … parts of speech … subject object verb … [what’s that?]

Rambling.

Feelings. [woahooo … woah … woah … woah … ]

Then how will you speak aloud to God?

You need to study and to learn some formal language … Latin worked pretty well for a lot of centuries. All over the world.

English, not so much.

A friend informed me that they flunked French so they had to take it over in Summer School. The Summer School French teacher quizzed the students and found that they were unable to speak or write in English, and so the replacement French teacher had to teach the students ENGLISH first.
 
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God – being who He IS – knows each and every language – and knows what is in ones heart/soul.
 
Okay have it in the vernacular. Bring back using the 1962 Missale Romanum in the vernacular which was done in the 1960s and use the same gestures and music as the Extraordinary Form.
No one says it has to be on Latin. The Mass itself was much more than just the language.
 
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