Should Latin mass be brought back?

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I would like the Latin mass brought back. I think apart from the raising of the intellect in being more familiar with Latin, it is a great connection to the historic church with its rich and unifying culture. I fear a lack of culture is sadly missing in the western world today and we are suffering because of it.
 
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Based on what I have read of papal decrees and Canon Law, I would be happy to see Benedict’s letter obeyed to the letter, when what Canon Law says about priests knowing Latin is enforced universally in the Roman Rite, for starters.
 
Don_Ruggero said:
I also think the time has come to begin the alterations of the 1962 missal, as Pope Benedict said needed to happen.
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I don’t see this as a very viable idea. Many if not most of the people that attend traditional Latin mass do so because it is “traditional”.

Changing it around would really eliminate that as a motivation, particular among those who travel a considerable distance to get there.
 
Benedict’s letter talks of “mutual enrichment.” The EF Offertory would be a great option in the OF.
 
Don_Ruggero said:
Pope Benedict said in Cologne after his election in 2005 [Part 1]
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Your citing of relevant documentation is appreciated. We tend to go off on tangents, with only a vague idea of what was actually said by this pope, especially.
 
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The rosary isn’t an official liturgy of the Church. These new mysteries were offered as a suggestion. I say them myself, but I can also understand someone using just the older mysteries.

There might be excessive suspicion of the Vatican. Then again there may be good reason to be suspicious.
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Actually all 20 mysteries are “offered as a suggestion”. None are public liturgy or public revelation. I brought this up because it came from before the current pontificate. Supporters of the Latin Mass, including me, have concerns over possible doctrinal ambiguity expressed since 2013.

But what I see is a tendency for the “excessive suspicion” to expand, like any bad habit, a mindset to doubt everything that comes or ever came from the Vatican, or one’s diocesan bishop. This tends to drive away from the Latin Mass community some potential allies and also creates suspicion towards all popes, past and future. In a decade they will be rejecting Pope Pius XII’s ideas.

This means the young, especially, will be less able to benefit from spiritual insights of Pope Francis, or St. JP II, or the next pope and bishop.
 
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I didn’t blame Latin for people leaving the Church. After all, many have left for the Protestant denominations which have 0 Latin.
 
I like the banjo, but I don’t see it fitting in at any Catholic church , old or new order. LOL
 
abucs said:
I would like the Latin mass brought back. I think apart from the raising of the intellect in being more familiar with Latin, it is a great connection to the historic church with its rich and unifying culture. I fear a lack of culture is sadly missing in the western world today and we are suffering because of it.
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My own feel is that this Pope or the next will offer a Personal Prelature to FSSP, ICRSS, together with the FSSPX. Aside from the few parishes like St. John Cantius, the mixing of the two forms inside diocesan parishes just isn’t working to advance church attendance in my experience. Furthermore the FSSPX seems to have the financial stability that many dioceses don’t have and when they eventually fully join the Church, we might see some fruits developing from Pope JPII’s restoration of the 1962 Missal.
 
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ProVobis said:
Aside from the few parishes like St. John Cantius, the mixing of the two forms inside a diocesan parishes just isn’t working to advance church attendance in my experience
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In Pittsburgh, it seems to be working out. Without the Latin Mass community at St. Boniface, the building would have been sold, razed or repurposed a long time ago. The neighborhood - except for the church and maybe 20 or so houses nearby- was demolished for the Interstate highway. Left a church by itself w/o a viable residential community. 20 homes- with an unknown number of Catholics- wouldn’t be able to support the church.

However, for Latin mass attendees who come often from far afield, the location is ideal. Its right off a major highway.
 
Same here in Columbus, OH… Our Diocesean Latin Mass parish is in a pretty run down area of town and runs a soup kitchen in its former school…
 
I suspect that you are right, that likely a significant number of people who attedn the EF now would be somewhere between upset and ballistic if changes were made…

However, over the centuries, changes have been made. It is not a museum piece, although some may, perhaps without realizing it, view it as such. I also suspect that those same people, had the OF never been promulgated, would have no problem to such a change being made.
 
otjm said:
I suspect that you are right, that likely a significant number of people who attedn the EF now would be somewhere between upset and ballistic if changes were made…
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I don’t know how ballistic people might be, but I think a lot of them would just quit attending the Latin mass and just start using their local parish church instead of bothering to travel.
 
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Is it a Dogma of the Church regarding the Rosary?
Or is it more of an extra which it isn’t a requirement, such as belief in Marian Appartitions?
 
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Sorry - is what a Dogma?

The Rosary is and always has been a private devotion, as opposed to an official liturgy.
 
My reference is nore to the people who are somewhere between not liking the OF, to those expresing opinions such as in post 880 - sins, abuses and blasphemy. I would suspect that if some gradual changes were made to the Ef, those who might go to the OF if changes were made would likely continue with the EF.

Lets take a “what if”. The OF has added Old Testament readings. Assuming those might be added to the EF, I would doubt much migration to the OF. But might we see some going to the EF which would not comply with the addition? That would not surprise me.
 
What I meant is , is belief in the Rosary a requirement for Catholics?
I am not trying to come off as if I don’t. I do the Rosary every day.
I just didn’t know if belief in it was a Dogma or just a private devotion.
 
Again, not sure what belief we are discussing. The first part of the Hail Mary is scriptural; the second part is a prayer of intercession. There is nothing dogmatic about the rosary. Although there is commentary that it was given to St. Dominic, there is information floating about that the Dominicans don’t hold that. The better information seems to be that long prior to St. Dominic, laity, who were uneducated, started saying 150 Our Fathers as a mimic if you will to what the monks said - the 150 Psalms. It eventually morphed into 5 Our Fathers and 50 Hail Marys.

By belief if you mean the efficacy of the rosary, all prayers are efficacious. Certainly, if one looks at the Old Testament and observes the power and place of the queen mother to the king (often referred to as “the power behind the throne”), then one sees the importance and place which Mary has in relation to Jesus.

The rosary, like any other prayer, should be used with the understanding that we petition, God decides. Honoring Mary honors her Son.

Hope that answers your question.
 
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What I meant is , is belief in the Rosary a requirement for Catholics?
I am not trying to come off as if I don’t. I do the Rosary every day.
I just didn’t know if belief in it was a Dogma or just a private devotion.
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No. Belief in the rosary is NOT required. One can never say a decade in one’s life and still live the complete fullness of the Catholic faith.

It is 100% a private devotion. Full stop. There is no requirement for the layity to say it, and there has never been.
 
“Belief in the Rosary” is an odd way of putting it.

Certainly one is not required to recite the Rosary. But it must be respected, and its efficacy believed in…again, the liturgy is our guide, where there is an obligatory observance of the BVM of the Rosary.
 
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