Should Latin mass be brought back?

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CuriousConvert1 said:
“Belief in the Rosary” is an odd way of putting it.

Certainly one is not required to recite the Rosary. But it must be respected, and its efficacy believed in…again, the liturgy is our guide, where there is an obligatory observance of the BVM of the Rosary.
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We should respect all private devotions. That is a given. We are called to respect Non-Catholic devotions, too, for that matter.

However, we are NOT required to believe that it must produce promised fruits. Not at all. One is free to reject it in part or in whole and free to reject any belief in promises that come from it. No one is required to believe in ANY Marian apparition, period. They are all private. The church does not mandate that one believes in the Rosary. The rosary is NOT part of the liturgy. Even when it was used as a devotion to get one through Mass–it was never required.

The church has given us the Hail Mary. But that is where things end.

There is NO obligation, period, to even acknowledge the Rosary.

There is Church history of it being held in high esteem, but that does not change the fact that it is a pure add-on to the faith and that it is in now way, shape or form obigitory.
 
A Catholic cannot “reject” the Rosary. Doesn’t need to pray it, but can’t just “reject” it.
 
He doesn’t need to pray it, but he can’t say it isn’t efficacious.
 
CuriousConvert1 said:
He doesn’t need to pray it, but he can’t say it isn’t efficacious.
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Sorry, no. A Catholic can reject everything, every promise, every devotion, every sign-- about the Rosary (though not it’s prayers) and still be solidly Catholic.
 
A Catholic doesn’t need to read St Augustine, but can’t say that Augustine isn’t a source of learning for the faith.
 
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A Catholic doesn’t need to read St Augustine, but can’t say that Augustine isn’t a source of learning for the faith.
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That’s not what you’re arguing though. You’re saying that a Catholic must acknowledge and accept the rosary. They don’t. It’s private. Many of St. Augustine’s teachings are doctrine. A Catholic is not free to reject the doctrine of the Church.

However they ARE free to reject any and all of St. Augistine’s teachings which are not doctrine.
 
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A Catholic cannot reject that the Rosary is efficacious.
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Repeating yourself dosn’t make it true. A Catholic is free to reject the rosary. Period. They can freely reject any attributes of the Rosary, too, for that matter.

They cannot reject the Hail Mary, Glory Be or Our Father. But, yes, they CAN reject anything and everything about it.

It is NOT doctrine. It is private devotion. The promises made are private revelation. A Catholic is free not to believe them. Period.

One would be wise to given the stance of the Church, but one is not required to pray the Rosary or believe ANY private revelations about it’s effectiveness.
 
Sorry, but you repeat yourself too. A Catholic cannot reject the efficacy of the Rosary.
 
CuriousConvert1 said:
Sorry, but you repeat yourself too. A Catholic cannot reject the efficacy of the Rosary.
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Yeah, they can. It is not doctrine. Each and every promise regarding it’s efficancy is given through private revelation. One is NOT required to believe in private revelation.
 
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One does not need to pray the Rosary. Denying it efficacy, however, is not Catholic. Again, the liturgy is often a useful guide…lex orandi, lex credendi.
 
It could be that in abandoning Latin, and the other things which distinguished Catholicism from Protestantism, it made it easier to become Protestant. Maybe some Catholics saw now difference.
 
CuriousConvert1 said:
One does not need to pray the Rosary. Denying it efficacy, however, is not Catholic. Again, the liturgy is often a useful guide…lex orandi, lex credendi.
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No. Denying it’s efficancy is NOT “not Catholic”. It’s private. Period. Even as a part of liturgy it’s STILL private. Which means that one is NOT required to believe.
 
I can and do.
The Rosary, while a beautiful way to pray, has no part in my spirituality.
For me, the prayer is not effective at all.

I much prefer the Ignatian examen prayer, and it is much more effective in producing grace in my life than the Rosary ever has been.
 
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Xanthippe, you can say “Period” all you want, but it doesn’t change reality.

The liturgy is the public prayer of the Church, and the liturgy speaks of the efficacy of the Rosary. It is not an “optional” belief.
 
The Rosary doesn’t need to have a part in your spirituality. But you cannot deny its efficacy. Just because you don’t like it or find it useful does not mean it is not efficacious.
 
CuriousConvert1 said:
Xanthippe, you can say “Period” all you want, but it doesn’t change reality.

The liturgy is the public prayer of the Church, and the liturgy speaks of the efficacy of the Rosary. It is not an “optional” belief.
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LOL YES the rosary is an optional belief. It is NOT doctrinal. There is nowhere in the doctrine that ever claims one must believe in the rosary or its promises.

Just because it has a place in the liturgy does not make it a requirement.
 
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