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captainrick
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That’s why I learned Hebrew! Latin would be helpful too!
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Ridgerunner
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Italian is an extraordinarily beautiful language. No question about it. And it would be nice to be able to read the “Divine Comedy” in Italian.
But you know, there’s more than one Italy. Some of my ancestors came from Alpine Italy, and everything about Alpines is different from, say, people in southern Italy and Sicily. The language is about the only thing they really do have in common.
But you know, there’s more than one Italy. Some of my ancestors came from Alpine Italy, and everything about Alpines is different from, say, people in southern Italy and Sicily. The language is about the only thing they really do have in common.
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Nanotwerp
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There is a papal encyclical that states otherwise.
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Nanotwerp
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Code:
- Let Us begin with those things that seem more important because they have closer relation to the Holy See and to the government of the Church entrusted by Providence to the Supreme Pontiff. It seems especially opportune in this connection to recall some passages of Our first Encyclical, “Ubi Arcana.” In this letter We made the following complaint: “It is scarcely necessary to say with how much pain and grief We see Italy outside this friendly harmony of so many States. For Italy is Our own country, the country in which the overruling hand of God placed and fixed the See of His Vicar on earth. He placed it here in Rome, which had been the capital of that marvelous, yet limited empire, thus making it capital of the entire world. For thus it became the seat of a sovereignty that surpasses all national and political boundaries, that embraces all men and all peoples, like the sovereignty of Christ Himself, whom it represents and whose office it fills. The origin and character of this sovereignty, no less than the inviolable rights of conscience of millions of the Faithful throughout the world, require that it should be, in fact and in appearance, independent and free from every human authority and law, even though it be a ‘Law of Guarantees.’”
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adawgj
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Who ever said it was easy. I struggle too.
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GangGreen
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I’m an Italian American and I’ve been trying to learn Italian for years. Lately, it’s kind of been put on the back burner since I’ve become more interested in Latin. I do still want to gain fluency in Italian. Honestly, for Catholics if you want to learn any language it should be Latin. The amount of documents, music, prayers, among others written in Latin is astonishing. My knowledge of Latin at this point is just memorizing many prayers. However, I want to learn more and begin to gain an understanding of what most of the words are instead of relying on the English translations. That’s my goal at some point in the near future anyway.
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Tarpeian_Rock
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I disagree that the encyclical in fact states that. The encyclical in question, written in 1929, notes the successful conclusion of the Lateran Accords establishing the independence of the Vatican and remuneration for seizure of the Papal States. As such, it naturally focuses on the history of the Church’s governance being centered in Rome. That is a far cry from saying the focus of the Faith - as opposed to administration - is Rome. The focus of our Faith is Christ, not the Curia.
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robwar
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How about Latin which is the universal language of the Church?Italy is Our homeland, and all.
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TimothyH
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Italy is not my homeland and knowing Italian won’t contribute one iota to my salvation.
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Nanotwerp
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I never said it had any effect on salvation.
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L_Marshall
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Many parts of Rome are a bit of a tourist trap. In many places, when you walk into a shop or restaurant, the shopkeep will start speaking English or French to you before they try Italian. To see the tourists’ Italy (Rome, Florence, Venice), you can get by with zero Italian.
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Lormar
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I’ll say. I can barely speak proper English.
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ProVobis
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Is there such a thing?I’ll say. I can barely speak proper English.
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Lormar
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Grammatically, yes.Is there such a thing?
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OraLabora
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That may be so, but if you intend to actually live and work in the Vatican, Italian would be the overwhelming choice as it’s the daily working language.
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CyrilSebastian
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At the local church here, some Italian lessons were given in the summer months for a few consecutive years.
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ProVobis
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That would probably depend on the Pope too, though. Polish wasn’t too uncommon when JPII was Pope. But there does seem to be a disproportionate number of Cardinals residing in Italy, or so I hear, so true, and that would be the working language. English might become the language of finance, though, as it is in other parts of the world. The U.S. dollar is still the reserve currency. (And it has Latin on it, btw.
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Genesis315
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Your spiritual home in the here and now is your own particular Church that you belong to–(a particular Church is a bishop and his flock located in a territory called diocese). The Bishop of Rome and his particular Church (the diocese of Rome) are certainly the head of all the other bishops and particular Churches, but that does not therefore make us all members of any particular Italian Church.
That’s his episcopal chair and that’s why he’s Bishop of Rome.
Actually, the Pope’s seat–his cathedra–is not in Vatican City, but in Rome, at the Archbasilica of St. John Lateran.
That’s his episcopal chair and that’s why he’s Bishop of Rome.
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OraLabora
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Nice catch!Your spiritual home in the here and now is your own particular Church that you belong to–(a particular Church is a bishop and his flock located in a territory called diocese). The Bishop of Rome and his particular Church (the diocese of Rome) are certainly the head of all the other bishops and particular Churches, but that does not therefore make us all members of any particular Italian Church.
Actually, the Pope’s seat–his cathedra–is not in Vatican City, but in Rome, at the Archbasilica of St. John Lateran.
But he lives in the Vatican, and most of the business of the Church is conducted there. The HQ as it were…
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