Should Movies Be Censored?

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Hollywood produces these movies because that is what people pay to see. If the money dried up, then they would make different types of movies to bring the money in. Pixar is a good example; they know how to make the kind of movies that parents will bring their kids to see. The problem is not “Hollywood” but that moral integrity has plummeted.
You are 100% wrong.

forbes.com/sites/pauljankowski/2011/10/04/family-friendly-movies-make-big-get-hollywoods-attention/

PIXAR is sliding down the Disney toilet since Disney now owns them. They’re pre-Disney work - generally, quite good. Their work after, not so good, and sales fell.

Ed
 
Well I’m all for Hollywood “self-policing” itself, having a set of agreed upon boundaries in which to operate in. BUT, out and out censorship, NO WAY. I think perhaps your word of “censorship” is what is tripping up the conversation. I don’t want someone making the decision for me that I can’t watch a movie or tv program or I can’t read a book based on what they considered decent for me to read or watch. I don’t want the government making that decision for me either. But I’m all for Hollywood getting itself together and saying collectively they don’t need to make the movies that keep pushing the boundaries and they self restrict themselves to make more decent movies.
It’s time to say that a lot more often, especially here. And no, CATHOLICS are not free to ignore Church teaching and put garbage in their heads. Otherwise, we are picking and choosing no matter what the Church teaches. If we do, why bother being Catholic and listen to the teaching authority of the Church?

You can do it, but it is strongly not recommended and the results are quite predictable.

Ed
 
I’m afraid of the government stepping in and saying, “No, you can’t talk about how this and that is a sin, because it’s offensive to some people.”
They are already doing that. It’s called “hate speech” even though it’s been part of Church teaching for millennia.

It happened in a wealthy community not far from me. Their stores along the sidewalk had speakers mounted outside that played Christmas music. Even though this had been the norm for some time, someone complained that they were offended. So an ordinance was passed that told private store owners that they can play the music BUT NOT THE WORDS. Imagine “Silent Night” with no words.

People have been brainwashed to believe the government is a threat and that it should protect the dirty and filthy, but it was obviously ‘not a threat’ in this case.

Give me a break.

Ed
 
I believe in personal censorship. Investigate, do your research and choose wisely.

And as far as “living through it” being proof of some widespread conspiracy-there are other people on the planet who lived through the same time period. Everyone doesn’t believe that there is a bunch of people sitting around in pink shirts and feather boas in a dark room saying “we just MUST get everyone to have more sex!! WE must make them hate God!!! We must convert them to be GAY!!!”

What really happened was there were a bunch of men in suits and ties trying to figure out how to make more money!
That last statement is false.

forbes.com/sites/pauljankowski/2011/10/04/family-friendly-movies-make-big-get-hollywoods-attention/

Ed
 
Baelor

**And yet you claim that the earlier censorship was due to religious influence. On what basis do you want Hollywood to censor its material? **

On the basis of common sense and common decency. Both of which are increasingly uncommon in our jaded society.

For many movie-goers, those two films (and many others, for that matter) do not provide the ultimate pleasure of film-making.

No doubt because their sensibilities have been neanderthalized. 😉
 
So I can’t prove that such material desensitizes you over time, but I know that, having not seen and heard such jokes before, I was certainly “sensitive” to it.
Take it from me, you CAN be desensitized. I remember seeing video game trailers and thinking, “wow thats too bloody for me”, but after playing it a lot, it looked like nothing. I also used to feel a very awkward vibe when in class we would watch a movie and there was nudity because I was surrounded by other people and it was just awkward. I took a film class last semester and we watched a movie every class (some with nudity). By the end of the class I become considerably less sensitive to it. I can verify that desensitizing does happen.
 
Baelor

**Yes, because it is not clear what the standards should be. **

Perhaps not clear to you or me at the present. But standards could be hammered out that would restore sanity in the entertainment business. Aside from pornography (soft and hard) and gratuitous violence, I should think Hollywood could clean up the graphic gutter language it is prone to today. Neanderthal gutter language never makes a great movie, and it is one of the reasons that Raging Bull is not a great film when it might have been.

It has always puzzled me why Hollywood went thataway, when the best movie makers of the last 40 years should have been bright enough to understand that the vulgarisms they introduced and celebrated in the movies might someday well into the future be condemned by a culture that had recovered its appreciation of cleaner language.
That last paragraph is true.

forbes.com/sites/pauljankowski/2011/10/04/family-friendly-movies-make-big-get-hollywoods-attention/

The Church did its best to dialogue with Hollywood, and not by using force, but to identify how movies good be used for good and evil.

vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_29061936_vigilanti-cura_en.html

Pope Benedict has warned us:

ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/pope-renounce-culture-that-disguises-falsehood-as-truth

If we are going to evangelize anyone today, what is required? Telling them who Jesus Christ is and by their free will, accepting Him as Lord and Savior. Then what? We just point them to the nearest Church? Fire and forget? Just go to Church every Sunday and Holy Days of Obligation and you’re done? What about the other six days of the week? How do they deal with that?

Peace,
Ed
 
It seems wildly irrational to me that the very same people who think common sense and common decency should prevail in a public schoolroom think at the same time that they should not prevail on a movie screen.

You have free speech in the classroom, but the school industry does not encourage filthy language or sex in the classroom. So why does it have to be tolerated on the screen? Perhaps because the movie makers, while technically proficient at what they do, are really juvenile delinquents who have to show you what they can get away with?
 
It seems wildly irrational to me that the very same people who think common sense and common decency should prevail in a public schoolroom think at the same time that they should not prevail on a movie screen.

You have free speech in the classroom, but the school industry does not encourage filthy language or sex in the classroom. So why does it have to be tolerated on the screen? Perhaps because the movie makers, while technically proficient at what they do, are really juvenile delinquents who have to show you what they can get away with?
That is exactly right. Their goal was always to push the envelope, the full phrase being “push the envelope of what the average person found acceptable.” Which persons? Certainly not them, which left Christians of every denomination. You have to realize that these people always wanted to “break down barriers,” “smash taboos,” and impose “no limits.” Of course, these people already loved and some did act on the sexual and profanity behaviors they wanted to put on the screen

They wanted to reform the way we saw the world to the way they wanted it to be.

A little Catholic History regarding movies:

catholichistory.net/Spotlights/SpotlightMovies.htm

Ed
 
I am glad that you confirm by your silence on the matter that the Hays Code did contain some aspects not reconcilable with Catholic teaching.
On the basis of common sense and common decency. Both of which are increasingly uncommon in our jaded society.
But according to you this jaded society is either caused by or reflected in Hollywood. Again, I ask you on what basis Hollywood will determine what is “common sense and common decency.”
No doubt because their sensibilities have been neanderthalized. 😉
“Singing in the Rain” is hardly the height of intellectual engagement. It is difficult to find older movies that are stimulating in any way, except maybe the in the French modernist movement.
 
Baelor

**“Singing in the Rain” is hardly the height of intellectual engagement. It is difficult to find older movies that are stimulating in any way, except maybe the in the French modernist movement. **

What modern musical comedy would you put on a par with or better than Singing in the Rain?
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I am glad that you confirm by your silence on the matter that the Hays Code did contain some aspects not reconcilable with Catholic teaching.**

The parts that related to sex, violence, and language were very compatible!
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But according to you this jaded society is either caused by or reflected in Hollywood. Again, I ask you on what basis Hollywood will determine what is “common sense and common decency.” **

You got me there. But if they could come up with a formula once, they might come up with one again. It’s not so difficult, you know, when you consider that the major television networks (other than cable) have held a fair line against neanderthalism.

When I was a young man, the audience used to applaud at the end of a movie to show their appreciation of artistic merit. I can’t remember any applause in the last 30 years. Does that tell you anything?
 
pollynova

**I’m afraid of the government stepping in and saying, “No, you can’t talk about how this and that is a sin, because it’s offensive to some people.” **

You persist in believing that this is about government censorship when it’s really about Hollywood censoring itself by setting up standards and requiring film makers to abide by them.

Do you really have a problem with that? :confused:
Yes, I do.
 
Yes, I do.

So exactly what is your problem? Do you prefer a plethora of violence, sex, and filthy language?
 
Yes, I do.

So exactly what is your problem? Do you prefer a plethora of violence, sex, and filthy language?
No, of course not. But I prefer that people be free to express themselves.

Trying to censor movies with violence and sex won’t work anyway, because it’s just as likely that movies with a Catholic theme will be censored as well because some people might find them offensive.

I watched an interview with Martin Sheen and Emilio Estevez when they were promoting “The Way.” They said if you really want to see more movies like this, the best thing to do is support good films with your dollars.
 
Daddy
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So everyone has free speech, but nothing is forced upon anyone.**

Censorship is not forcing anything upon anyone.

Do you think that any newspaper in America would not force offensive views if they had the same freedom to explore sex, violence, and gutter language as Hollywood has? How is it that television and academia can voluntarily enforce standards of decency on television and in the classroom but Hollywood cannot self censor itself?

You talk against force. I say Hollywood is forcing neanderthalism on the American public.

By the way, Catholic Answers is self censored and the better for it.
 
You are 100% wrong.

forbes.com/sites/pauljankowski/2011/10/04/family-friendly-movies-make-big-get-hollywoods-attention/

PIXAR is sliding down the Disney toilet since Disney now owns them. They’re pre-Disney work - generally, quite good. Their work after, not so good, and sales fell.
No sir, I am not wrong. Pixar is still a perfect example because of the number of tickets and dvds solf of thier films. Just because they are in a slump now doesn’t mean that their previous performance is negated.

Also, how many sci-fi movies were regularly being made before Star Wars came out in 1977? How many horror movies flooded the screens after Jaws in 1975? How many adventure movies came out after Raiders of the Lost Ark? Hollywood certainly makes the kind of movies that they think people will pay money to see. All one needs to do is see what kind of blockbuster comes out and the number of imitations that come in its wake.

BTW, Hollywood in the days of the Hayes code was run by Jewish studio executives. How many of these men were influenced one way or the other by Catholic leaders?
 
Do you think that any newspaper in America would not force offensive views if they had the same freedom to explore sex, violence, and gutter language as Hollywood has?
This is nonsensical. Who is censoring newspapers? National newspapers routinely print things that perturbs the government and government officials. So who is keeping them from forcing their “offensive views?”

BTW, you would make it easier on everyone if you just used the “quote” button. 👍
 
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Will H. Hays, of the “Hays Office,” was actually a Presbyterian elder.
(tho I think a Jesuit priest was involved in defining the codes)

The values of the Catholic Church were not kicked out of Hollywood. Any filmmaker is free to make a Catholic-related film if they want to, and some do. Mel Gibson, for example, and he was very successful at it. And as you might know, a big mini-series on The Bible starts tomorrow night.

The only difference now is that we have more free speech, so those who do not agree with the Catholic religion–and other religions–can express their opinions as well on film.

If there has been a rise in films that contain non-Catholic themes (has there been?) that may reflect the shift in the public’s belief systems over the last few decades.

But also…if we see more films about fornication, bestiality, and cannibalism (do you mean all these zombie/vampire films?) it’s not necessarily a statement against the Catholic church…it’s just filmmakers showing different aspects of human behavior.

As we all know, a lot of the behaviors you list above-incest, bestiality, sodomy, fornication, adultery, etc–are also dramatized in the Judeo-Christian bible by those who wrote the books.

And, these behaviors have been seen in people of all religions.
So dramatizing them on screen isn’t necessarily an anti-Catholic move on Hollywood’s part.

And of course…in the same way that an atheist or Buddhist can choose not to go see a film about Catholicism, a Catholic can choose not to go see the next sexy vampire flick of the week.

So everyone has free speech, but nothing is forced upon anyone.

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Sad. Very sad. As a moderator on a message board (not this one), I was asked to rewrite the rules regarding so-called free speech. There is no such thing as free speech that encourages the sick, depraved, ultraviolent, demented, dirty, filthy, profanity-filled and immoral and amoral things coming out of Hollywood. And NO, it’s not just about money.

Everything has limits - everything. Hollywood has a moral and civic duty as people to not degrade the moral and intellectual sensibilities of the people.

Go to any large internet forum. Read the rules. Guess what? You are not allowed to say or show or link to anything you want. On our board, you get a few warnings, with explanations, then you’re temporarily banned. Try it a few more times and you’re banned for life.

Ed
 
Sad. Very sad. As a moderator on a message board (not this one), I was asked to rewrite the rules regarding so-called free speech. There is no such thing as free speech that encourages the sick, depraved, ultraviolent, demented, dirty, filthy, profanity-filled and immoral and amoral things coming out of Hollywood. And NO, it’s not just about money.

Everything has limits - everything. Hollywood has a moral and civic duty as people to not degrade the moral and intellectual sensibilities of the people.

Go to any large internet forum. Read the rules. Guess what? You are not allowed to say or show or link to anything you want. On our board, you get a few warnings, with explanations, then you’re temporarily banned. Try it a few more times and you’re banned for life.

Ed
You have demonstrated a poor knowledge of how the film industry works, and how things like the Hays code effect things in a greater context. There are some valid points you make, but overall I have to respectfully disagree.

Do a little research on the MPAA. Note their favoritism for movies with corporate backing. Note how ratings affect how many people ultimately see a film. Note the lack of consistency or basis.

Censorship, or otherwise not allowing certain things to be in works of art (sorry, movies are more than just ‘entertainment’ to some people) is deplorable and doesn’t belong in a civilized society. I’d encourage a system that warns the viewer what sort of depictions they’ll be seeing if they choose to see something, but I vehemently disagree with any sort of ratings system (i.e. PG and R). The reality is that we already have a certain degree of “censorship” in Hollywood and it is more in tuned with the things you and Charlemange have been suggesting, and it doesn’t work.

It’s all “us vs them” with this kind of thinking. The left blames the right, the right blames the left, and in the end nothing gets solved. It’s all conjecture devoid of any real meaning besides further dividing and subjugating people. In other words, it’s part of the problem, not the solution.

Censorship is wrong. The idea that nudity, violence, or “foul language” (a laughable, archaic notion) can never ever be used artistically (with merit) is a fallacy. The idea that gratuitous depictions of these things (i.e. without merit) poses a threat is also a fallacy that I contend implies a weakness in the Church’s teachings. If people are educated on an issue, and they allow themselves to subscribe to something one way or the other, that is their prerogative. You can argue that we need more education, you cannot argue for the validity of censorship. It is wrong on all counts, always. Society shouldn’t cater itself to the feeble minded. I don’t need a censor to tell me what is valuable and what isn’t. If I’m watching something that offends my sensibilities, I stop watching. This rarely happens though as I usually try to give the benefit of the doubt and wait for any redeeming qualities. I don’t have a child, but if I did I wouldn’t not let them watch things that were age appropriate simply because they had a curse word or depicted sex, because I would trust that my child would be able to discern for himself.

Personally, I’d have a much easier time trusting myself and my children than some censor I had never met. The Church has those newsletters and websites where they deem what is and isn’t inappropriate viewing/reading/etc, why doesn’t that suffice? Censorship is for communists and dictators, not democracies.
 
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