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Saint_Gemma
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Should non-baptized persons always leave before the beginning of the Canon? What if there is no dismissal?
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Should non-baptized people always leave before the beginning of the Canon?
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Br.Rich_SFO
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If there is an RCIA process in place at the parish. Those who are formally in the Catechumenate (not Baptized) should always be dismissed after the homily. Those already validly Baptized (Candidiates) should never be dismissed from Mass.Should non-baptized persons always leave before the beginning of the Canon? What if there is no dismissal?
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Edward62
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Why the secrets? It seems a good idea to have them stick around and see what the most holy part of the Mass is all about.
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JudiTherese
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I have never seen a dismissal unless it was for RCIA classes (which most of our’s take place during the week at night).
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Patchunky
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In the Byzantine Ruthenian Rite of the Church, during the Divine Liturgy, just before the Creed, the priest sings “LET ALL CATACUMENS DEPART” and then the catacumens leave the Church and then he sings “THE DOORS, THE DOORS, IN WISDOM BE ATTENTIVE” and at the time, the ushers used to make sure all the catacumens were gone and that doors to the Church were closed.Should non-baptized persons always leave before the beginning of the Canon? What if there is no dismissal?
Then the Divine Liturgy would proceed…
Hope this helps…
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bpbasilphx
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<<Why the secrets? It seems a good idea to have them stick around and see what the most holy part of the Mass is all about.>>
It has to do with the ancient disciplini arcani. There were some things that were just not talked about before the unbaptized. For one things, prayers were never said in their presence. This goes back to the Jewish custom of no domestic interaction with Gentiles, as a rule.
There were some things, such as the Creed and Lord’s Prayer that were not told the catechumens until at the very moment of their baptism.
During this period anciently, it was a VERY exceptional thing to be present for the full Eucharistic action, and not receive Communion.
It has to do with the ancient disciplini arcani. There were some things that were just not talked about before the unbaptized. For one things, prayers were never said in their presence. This goes back to the Jewish custom of no domestic interaction with Gentiles, as a rule.
There were some things, such as the Creed and Lord’s Prayer that were not told the catechumens until at the very moment of their baptism.
During this period anciently, it was a VERY exceptional thing to be present for the full Eucharistic action, and not receive Communion.
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GregoryPalamas
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I wish we would return to that. I don’t know if any Byzantine Catholic Churches still do this but I wish we would.In the Byzantine Ruthenian Rite of the Church, during the Divine Liturgy, just before the Creed, the priest sings “LET ALL CATACUMENS DEPART” and then the catacumens leave the Church and then he sings “THE DOORS, THE DOORS, IN WISDOM BE ATTENTIVE” and at the time, the ushers used to make sure all the catacumens were gone and that doors to the Church were closed.
Then the Divine Liturgy would proceed…
Hope this helps…
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richardwy
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If you like the Church Fathers Ed, a great time to dig a bit into Ambrose and Augustine.Why the secrets? It seems a good idea to have them stick around and see what the most holy part of the Mass is all about.
New Advent probably has some summaries.
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BritishCatholic
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I believe the GIRM recommends that the non-baptized Catechumans should be dismissed, but I do not think it is mandatory. In fact, like someone above me stated, I think it might do the Catechumans some good to see what the real Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is like.If there is an RCIA process in place at the parish. Those who are formally in the Catechumenate (not Baptized) should always be dismissed after the homily. Those already validly Baptized (Candidiates) should never be dismissed from Mass.
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Linda_Marie
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My RCIA class was not dismissed from Mass after the homily. I believe it is a mercy to catechumens not to be present during the Liturgy of the Eucharist. I desired the Eucharist but I could not partake. For me, it was such agony. We didn’t have the "go up for a blessing’ then either. If you weren’t receiving Communion, you remained in your pew.
Anyway, all catechumens and candidates have the oportunity to go to Mass before they begin the RCIA program and most likely already have.
Anyway, all catechumens and candidates have the oportunity to go to Mass before they begin the RCIA program and most likely already have.
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Blackbog
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This is slightly off-topic, but no one should have the “go up for a blessing” thing. If you are not Catholic or are in mortal sin, you should remain in your pew.My RCIA class was not dismissed from Mass after the homily. I believe it is a mercy to catechumens not to be present during the Liturgy of the Eucharist. I desired the Eucharist but I could not partake. For me, it was such agony. We didn’t have the "go up for a blessing’ then either. If you weren’t receiving Communion, you remained in your pew.
Anyway, all catechumens and candidates have the oportunity to go to Mass before they begin the RCIA program and most likely already have.
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M_Richard
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As an act of charity, I would think the blessing would be available to those in mortal sin, as well as those who are not baptized.This is slightly off-topic, but no one should have the “go up for a blessing” thing. If you are not Catholic or are in mortal sin, you should remain in your pew.
So it would seem to make sense to have everyone stay.
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Seatuck
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A blessing is given to everyone in the whole church right before the dismissal. No reason to go up and get one at all. Of course for those in mortal sin , the only grace they would receive from it is a prompt to make themselves right with God.As an act of charity, I would think the blessing would be available to those in mortal sin, as well as those who are not baptized.
So it would seem to make sense to have everyone stay.
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Blackbog
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I would refer you to this “Ask an Apologist” thread on the subject of communion blessings:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=137216&
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=137216&
It is not in the rubrics of the Mass for blessings to be distributed during Communion. And, as the Church has reiterated many times, it is not in a priest’s authority to add to or subtract from the liturgy on his own initiative, even when the proposed extra-rubrical change has previously been done or is popular with the congregation or is commonly done by other priests.
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Br.Rich_SFO
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They will learn that in the proper time.Why the secrets? It seems a good idea to have them stick around and see what the most holy part of the Mass is all about.
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THutch04
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Well, if they were, then it would make much more sense that the dismissal takes place in RCIA. I never understood why anybody can go to Mass and stay the entire time, and then once they actually want to become Catholic, they have to leave halfway through (for the most part, I know not every parish does things the same way).
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Patchunky
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If you have catacumens, it should be a part of your Divine Liturgy.I wish we would return to that. I don’t know if any Byzantine Catholic Churches still do this but I wish we would.
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If you don’t have catacumens, why would you do it???
In the RDL, the priest is supposed to chant “THE DOORS, THE DOORS, IN WISDOM BE ATTENTIVE” before starting the Creed. If he’s not doing it, there’s a problem…
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