Should salaries be capped?

[vern_humphrey]

The ends do not justify the means is the same as the means do not justify the end. You do know that…it’s akin to mathematics…you know: a+b=b+a

But you didn’t know that until I pointed it out to you.

A disaster created with the greatest good will in the world is still a disaster. And one who sets out to create a disaster cannot justify his acts by saying that they are theoretically moral.

While I have misinterpreted a fact in the past (the USCCB vs the Church refusing to accept CA’s voter guide), you posted an obvious and intentional non-truth (dare I say lie?) by insinuating that people who dare to bring up issues other than abortion are doing so to justify a pro-choice-on-abortion-vote.

Is this another case of you “taking my own words and pulling out the essence?”

If so, you have no complaint when I (or anyone else) takes** your **own words and pulls out the essence.

 

[goofyjim]

Wow! You do have some strange ideas! And you couple that with a willingness to attack other people for your own imagination.

That’s a terrific idea! Let’s kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

About like child molesting is not among us.

Vern,

When the higher ups think it is more important to maintain their stinking million or more salary than it is to keep those at the bottom employed, that is greed. Greed is also one of the deadly sins.

 

[goofyjim]

Yanno I’ve been on here lurking this thread for a couple of days, had most of my say a few pages back, but I keep getting one impression- some folks are so full of doom and gloom and pessimissim I dunno how they getta outta bed in the mornings.

“The man” is keeping me down, CEO make too much money at the expense of the “little guy” blah, blah. The current rallying cry is “the gap is getting wider between the haves and have nots, we gotta do more to give everyone a chance.” That always seems to be some kinda of govt handout, at the expense of punishing successs with a brutal tax code. Some people look at the pie as only so big, I look at as infinitely growing, and we all get the chance to jump in for a slice.

Before I joined the fire dept I lived my life in a world of pessimistic squalor, but when I listend to God and followed his path, my life was full of blessings and optimism. Dang I love gettin up in the mornings.

I was just a firefighter for 26 years, so none of the rich stuff applies to me, but God blessed me EVERYDAY and still does. I did something I loved for a job, I couldn’t wait to go to work, heck I’da done it for free, the paycheck was just something to keep my wife happy.

I now live off my pension, and my wife is a sales clerk, togther we do ok, but some (the dems) think us rich?? LOL

I help my fellow citizens in my way, I don’t need the govt passin laws and regulations to make me comply to redistribute as it sees fit.

I retired at age 49, with a lifetime pension check. The biggest decesions I make each day is where I’m gonna ride my motorcycles, when I’m gonna run, and where I’m gonna eat lunch.:extrahappy: I got my piece of the pie, for sure with God’s help. I don’t take it for granted. Now I dunno about y’all, but I ain’t got time to sit around and moan and groan about what the CEO at Dupont is makin, I don’t care, I just want the govt to leave me alone, just like I want it to leave Bill Gates alone, we are in this together.

So now you make the assumption or accusation that if I am not financially comfortable it is because I haven’t handed my life over to God. Wrong. It is just that he has blessed you more than others. Some he allows to have crosses and we are supposed to help others carry those crosses not gloat in our good fortune.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Vern,

When the higher ups think it is more important to maintain their stinking million or more salary than it is to keep those at the bottom employed, that is greed. Greed is also one of the deadly sins.

Ah, so you say they are sinners?

And you know so much about the management of the company that you know that is their motivation? It couldn’t possibly be to keep the company afloat, so the shareholders don’t lose their money, and so they don’t have to lay off even more employees?

Griping about management is common – you find it in every organization, from the military to the political parties. And 99% of it is simple spleen.

 

[goofyjim]

Ah, so you say they are sinners?

And you know so much about the management of the company that you know that is their motivation? It couldn’t possibly be to keep the company afloat, so the shareholders don’t lose their money, and so they don’t have to lay off even more employees?

Griping about management is common – you find it in every organization, from the military to the political parties. And 99% of it is simple spleen.

You accused the ones at the bottom of being sinners by being envious. When you stop with that I’ll stop mine.

 

[vern_humphrey]

You accused the ones at the bottom of being sinners by being envious. When you stop with that I’ll stop mine.

Double it back at you with knobs on it.

There is a diffenence, you know – I state a general situation, whereas you accuse a specific group of people.

 

[goofyjim]

Ah, so you say they are sinners?

And you know so much about the management of the company that you know that is their motivation? It couldn’t possibly be to keep the company afloat, so the shareholders don’t lose their money, and so they don’t have to lay off even more employees?

Griping about management is common – you find it in every organization, from the military to the political parties. And 99% of it is simple spleen.

Like I said if they wanted to keep the company afloat by cutting expenses they could do it just easily by cutting the top salaries and keeping the sales floor people. Yet you just don’t grasp that. Never have I called for government regulation. But I could live off of 700,000 just as easy as a million if I were running the company so I would voluntarily take a 300,000 pay cut to save 15 jobs that only pay 20,000.

 

[goofyjim]

Double it back at you with knobs on it.

There is a diffenence, you know – I state a general situation, whereas you accuse a specific group of people.

On the contrary. I also state a general atmosphere of greed among those who have been blessed.

 

[vern_humphrey]

On the contrary. I also state a general atmosphere of greed among those who have been blessed.

So your remarks about the management of Curcuit City do not apply to the management of Curcuit City?

 

[LCMS_No_More]

But you didn’t know that until I pointed it out to you.

Um…assume much?

A disaster created with the greatest good will in the world is still a disaster. And one who sets out to create a disaster cannot justify his acts by saying that they are theoretically moral.

Yeah, like what’s happening in the mortgage market right now, eh? Or how about the vanishing middle class? Or perhaps ever increasing fuel and food prices (which were removed from inflation calculations over the past few years…I wonder why?)?

Oh, wait, those are things that affect actually working PEOPLE, not corporations, a creation of the government be virtue of the fact that they would not exist if the government had not chartered them).

 

[vern_humphrey]

Yeah, like what’s happening in the mortgage market right now, eh? Or how about the vanishing middle class? Or perhaps ever increasing fuel and food prices (which were removed from inflation calculations over the past few years…I wonder why?)?

You forgot global warming, AIDS and the heartbreak of psoriasis.

Oh, wait, those are things that affect actually working PEOPLE, not corporations, a creation of the government be virtue of the fact that they would not exist if the government had not chartered them).

Ah, so you think corporations are not owned by people? They do not employ people? They do not produce products that **people **need?

 

[goofyjim]

So your remarks about the management of Curcuit City do not apply to the management of Curcuit City?

Well, if the shoe fits. But it happens elsewhere because of the general feeling that one is unable to voluntary take a pay cut. When you talk about a million a year a 30% pay cut will not suddenly put you in the poor house. Yet the loss of a complete job at 20,000 or 30,000 will. And that spells economic disaster, which we are experiencing. We cannot force this on the execs but it would behoove them to share the wealth by going it my way. Costco is one example. They voluntarily start every employee at a rate well above minimum wage because they value them. Most retailers just treat their employees as an exchangeable commodity or a throw away item.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Well, if the shoe fits. But it happens elsewhere because of the general feeling that one is unable to voluntary take a pay cut. When you talk about a million a year a 30% pay cut will not suddenly put you in the poor house. Yet the loss of a complete job at 20,000 or 30,000 will. And that spells economic disaster, which we are experiencing. We cannot force this on the execs but it would behoove them to share the wealth by going it my way. Costco is one example. They voluntarily start every employee at a rate well above minimum wage because they value them. Most retailers just treat their employees as an exchangeable commodity or a throw away item.

Which is why I’m a proud member of Costco and not of Sams Club.

 

[mapleoak]

Like I said if they wanted to keep the company afloat by cutting expenses they could do it just easily by cutting the top salaries and keeping the sales floor people.

Hmm, that sounds fair. About as fair as 'how can they want to give tax cuts to the rich?".

Yet you just don’t grasp that. Never have I called for government regulation. But I could live off of 700,000 just as easy as a million if I were running the company so I would voluntarily take a 300,000 pay cut to save 15 jobs that only pay 20,000.

Why are you making $700,000 and only paying 15 people $20,000 apiece? Why don’t you make $20,000 as well? Then you can have give jobs for 49 people who can make $20,000 too.

 

[mapleoak]

Oh, wait, those are things that affect actually working PEOPLE, not corporations, a creation of the government be virtue of the fact that they would not exist if the government had not chartered them).

Let’s see, what is a corporation? A faceless amoeba?

 

[stinkcat_14]

Let’s see, what is a corporation? A faceless amoeba?

A legal entity, which of course, by itself is morally neutral. On the other hand, the decisions made by the people running them may or may not be morally desirable.

 

[mapleoak]

When you talk about a million a year a 30% pay cut will not suddenly put you in the poor house. Yet the loss of a complete job at 20,000 or 30,000 will.

Instead of taking a 30% pay cut, you could instead hire a bunch of extra people until you are only making $20,000 to $30,000 as well. Just think, you would be helping the problem of unemployment.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Hmm, that sounds fair. About as fair as 'how can they want to give tax cuts to the rich?".

Why are you making $700,000 and only paying 15 people $20,000 apiece? Why don’t you make $20,000 as well? Then you can have give jobs for 49 people who can make $20,000 too.

Absurd and straw man.

 

[goofyjim]

Hmm, that sounds fair. About as fair as 'how can they want to give tax cuts to the rich?".

Why are you making $700,000 and only paying 15 people $20,000 apiece? Why don’t you make $20,000 as well? Then you can have give jobs for 49 people who can make $20,000 too.

Gladly. You just go to prove my point. Is any job really worth more than another? I have never been opposed to tax cuts for the rich. But let’s not lop off the poor and make them shoulder an unnecessary tax burden either. Equal deductions and credits for anyone who qualifies. The lower your gross income the better chance you have of offsetting it to pay nothing. When you reach a certain level you will inevitably have to pay something. But noone should be more penalized through phasing out these things either.

 

[mapleoak]

A legal entity, which of course, by itself is morally neutral.

Thing is, corporations don’t exist by themselves. They are not giant thinking brains.

On the other hand, the decisions made by the people running them may or may not be morally desirable.

Corporations don’t run themselves.