Should science be secular?

[larkin31]

larkin

The only thing I have to say is that you are a liar or grossly negligent in your summaries of what I have written. I am dumbfounded by this. It is like you have not read a thing I have written.

Obviously I read them or I would not reply to them.

Do you not see your sentences above as more rant?

your lying has peeved me, I will fully admit

you bring nothing to these discussions; you don’t speak to the specific points; and you intentionally mis-characterize your opponents’ points out of smug self-righteousness.

 

[Charlemagne_II]

larkin

*your lying has peeved me, I will fully admit

you bring nothing to these discussions; you don’t speak to the specific points; and you intentionally mis-characterize your opponents’ points out of smug self-righteousness. *

More rant.

 

[Kaninchen]

Would a ‘religious’ science be a bit like the ‘Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch’ scene in Monty Python?

 

[Moonstruck888]

moonstruck and larkin

When it comes to science, it appears that you are both rank amateurs.

Here is the bottom line. You can deny it all you want and rage and rant against those who call you to account, but there absolutely no evidence of how the first living cell came into being.

You poor pathetic creature. You’re sadly misinformed.

There is an abundance of evidence of how the first cells came in to being.

Unfortunately, being a scientist, you have to wait for experimental verification. The problem is not understanding how the cells came into being, we know that pretty well. The problem is figuring out how to simulate the conditions of the young Earth to make a repeatable experiment that spontaneously creates cells.

Even then, you and your ilk will just adapt God to fit in the smaller gap. I would also point out that even if science never fgures out how to spontaneously create cells, God does not win by default. You still have to prove your God exists…

 

[colmcille1]

Hi all True believers,
It is important also to remember that, while everyone is open to God’s grace, not all have opened their hearts to His Love. So we must pray that those who pace the treadmill of self will one day step off same and follow in His Way.
God Bless,
Colmcille1.

 

[colmcille1]

Would a ‘religious’ science be a bit like the ‘Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch’ scene in Monty Python?

Hi all True believers,
Another aspect of this seemingly non-stop treadmill of self is the subsciption to popular culture.
We must be alert to the timeliness of our speech.
God Bless,
Colmcille1.

 

[Cinette]

*My husband was atheist and was converted to belief in God by a Jewish scientist Gerald L Schroeder who came to promote his book “Genesis and the Big Bang” My husband then read another book by him “The Hidden Face of God” - science reveals the ultimate truth.

More reading…and 11 years later after attending Sunday Mass with me he converted.

He says that science was a big influence in his conversion. I wish I could thank Schroeder in person! Schroeder has written another book “The Science of God”

Hmmmmmm…secular? science? No way!! Thank you Dr Schroeder!

Cinette*

 

[Cinette]

You poor pathetic creature. You’re sadly misinformed.

There is an abundance of evidence of how the first cells came in to being.

Unfortunately, being a scientist, you have to wait for experimental verification. The problem is not understanding how the cells came into being, we know that pretty well. The problem is figuring out how to simulate the conditions of the young Earth to make a repeatable experiment that spontaneously creates cells.

Even then, you and your ilk will just adapt God to fit in the smaller gap. I would also point out that even if science never fgures out how to spontaneously create cells, God does not win by default. You still have to prove your God exists…

*Prove that God exists? Hmmm… look around you, look at the universe. You do not have to understand in order to believe but believe in order to understand (paraphrasing St Augustine).

Here’s the challenge Moonstruck! (maybe you are moomstruck and can’t think straight :whacky::bounce: Here’s the challenge: Prove that God does not exist! The ball is in your court now.*

:yup: Cinette

 

[colmcille1]

*My husband was atheist and was converted to belief in God by a Jewish scientist Gerald L Schroeder who came to promote his book “Genesis and the Big Bang” My husband then read another book by him “The Hidden Face of God” - science reveals the ultimate truth.

More reading…and 11 years later after attending Sunday Mass with me he converted.

He says that science was a big influence in his conversion. I wish I could thank Schroeder in person! Schroeder has written another book “The Science of God”

Hmmmmmm…secular? science? No way!! Thank you Dr Schroeder!

Cinette*

Hi Cinette,
Science is indeed a wonderful pursuit.Scientifically, I tend to hold with Newton when he said:’…this world could originate from nothing but the perfectly free will of God’.
God Bless,
Colmcille1.

 

[Cinette]

The only thing I have to say is that you are a liar*In my culture it is considered a grave offence to call anyone a liar! I have only encountered this in English speaking countries (sorry English people I do love you but this is true) * or grossly negligent in your summaries of what I have written. I am dumbfounded by this. It is like you have not read a thing I have written.
*
Larkin you are always getting into brawls with everyone. How about using your intellect to debate instead of thinking with your tongue!
*
Tell me, flat out and direct, do you read my posts in this thread?

Cinette

 

[Kaninchen]

Hi all True believers,
Another aspect of this seemingly non-stop treadmill of self is the subsciption to popular culture.
We must be alert to the timeliness of our speech.
God Bless,
Colmcille1.

Well, perhaps True believers could divert themselves from admiring their True believing long enough to say what a ‘religious’ science might possibly look like?

 

[colmcille1]

Well, perhaps True believers could divert themselves from admiring their True believing long enough to say what a ‘religious’ science might possibly look like?

Hi all True believers,
Though the invitation to vanity is everywhere about us, we must resist. Remember, many great Saints have been (and continue to be)* in *this world but not of it.
God Bless,
Colmcille1.

 

[Kaninchen]

Hi all True believers,
Though the invitation to vanity is everywhere about us, we must resist. Remember, many great Saints have been (and continue to be)* in *this world but not of it.
God Bless,
Colmcille1.

Obviously, True believers haven’t got a clue about what it would look like, either.

 

[colmcille1]

Obviously, True believers haven’t got a clue about what it would look like, either.

Hi all True believers,
We must smile with respect for our brothers and sisters of all faiths. They too have their crosses to bear.
God Bless,
Colmcille1.

 

[larkin31]

Hi all True believers,
We must smile with respect for our brothers and sisters of all faiths. They too have their crosses to bear.
God Bless,
Colmcille1.

Can you get back on the topic, rather than simply repeating prayers for fighting heretics? This thread concerns the question of whether science should include any elements of religion/faith. And if so, how so? And what would that look like?

 

[larkin31]

It is clear to me that religious believers can be (and have been) very good scientists. But I have a hard time understanding how religion can have a formal role in empirical science. How would it appear in an abstract, or lab report, or chemical equation?

 

[colmcille1]

Can you get back on the topic, rather than simply repeating prayers for fighting heretics? This thread concerns the question of whether science should include any elements of religion/faith. And if so, how so? And what would that look like?

Hi all True believers,
While in the midst of contemplation and fellow-feeling for our brothers and sisters, we may all too readily let our guard down. We may be tempted by the demons of doubt. As Pope John Paul II earnestly stated: ‘Be not afraid!’
We must continue to hope that our misguided brothers and sisters will travel beyond the confines of the ego and step in His Way.
God Bless,
Colmcille1.

 

[larkin31]

I’ll repeat, in an effort to get us back on topic:

It is clear to me that religious believers can be (and have been) very good scientists. But I have a hard time understanding how religion can have a formal role in empirical science. How would it appear in an abstract, or lab report, or chemical equation?

 

[colmcille1]

I’ll repeat, in an effort to get us back on topic:

Hi all True believers,
I have heard it said that the hour of Pentecost was like the opposite of the ‘Tower of Babel’.
It is a mighty thought!
God Bless,
Colmcille1.

 

[larkin31]

Let me try again. If this poster again simply proselytizes, I will flag the post. He/she genuinely interested in NOT engaging on the topic of this thread.

So, once again, let’s try to get back to the topic in an honest way:

It is clear to me that religious believers can be (and have been) very good scientists. But I have a hard time understanding how religion can have a formal role in empirical science. How would it appear in an abstract, or lab report, or chemical equation?