Should society be goverened by social psychologists?

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It is, I can assure you. It’s said that societies in our world is the greatest experiment in social psychology! Democracy in our world is a smoke screen. It allows ‘professionals’ to pass laws and dictate beliefs and customs. To think that we can govern ourselves is the biggest lie ever invented.

From the best as I can see, it all comes from another world!
 
Robert_Sock said:
It is, I can assure you. It’s said that societies in our world is the greatest experiment in social psychology! Democracy in our world is a smoke screen. It allows ‘professionals’ to pass laws and dictate beliefs and customs. To think that we can govern ourselves is the biggest lie ever invented.

From the best as I can see, it all comes from another world!
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I know you are trying to provoke a debate, but are you out of your mind? In my experience, Psychologists Psychiatrists and Social Scientists as a group as well as individually are the most screwed up people in Western Society. Why do you think many of them entered these fields of study in the first place?
If you think that Democracy is a smoke screen, I suggest that you travel to and live and try to earn a living in a non-democratic country ruled by despots…Venezuela and Cuba come to mind as well as many countries in Asia and Africa. I have been to these places and have seen conditions there first hand.
If you really knew the history of your country, you would find that we haven’t done too badly…If things are so bad here, why is it that we have so many aliens trying to enter our country? The reason is not just economic. The reason is that we have the most freedom of any country on earth: Religious, Social and Economic; and this is despite less than 50% of the elegible people vote in our elections.
If you think that there is so much wrong with our country, why don’t you try to do something about it instead of just complaining? If you are old enough, are you registered to vote? If not, you have no room to gripe. The political situation you dislike is your fault because you don’t participate in it. I suggest that you go to the party headquarters of your choice in your town and volunteer to work in a forthcoming election. By actively participating instead of griping, you will see that the system is alive and it does work.
 
There is a recently discovered internet law which says that if the headline is phrased as a question then the answer is always"No".

I can’t think of any more perfect illustration of that law!
 
Robert_Sock said:
It is, I can assure you. It’s said that societies in our world is the greatest experiment in social psychology! Democracy in our world is a smoke screen. It allows ‘professionals’ to pass laws and dictate beliefs and customs. To think that we can govern ourselves is the biggest lie ever invented.

From the best as I can see, it all comes from another world!
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Forgive me, but that is complete nonsense.

Ed
 
Robert_Sock said:
It is, I can assure you. It’s said that societies in our world is the greatest experiment in social psychology! Democracy in our world is a smoke screen. It allows ‘professionals’ to pass laws and dictate beliefs and customs. To think that we can govern ourselves is the biggest lie ever invented.

From the best as I can see, it all comes from another world!
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Please elaborate and explain to us what you mean by “from the best I can see, it all comes from another world!” You might want to change your approach a little, if anyone is going to take you seriously.

If you are really onto something here, please be prepared to face the consequences–not from me directly or otherwise, but from a certain organization–just so as to make that clear if it isn’t already. I mean, they might not care and probably won’t come to think of it, because most won’t believe you, but I don’t know…
 
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Forgive me, but that is complete nonsense.

Ed
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They are my deepest beliefs. I really believe in another world that guides and controls our world. From where does technology come? How else could our world grow to over seven billion people without it crashing? Our innate wit is simply too puny to account for all the high tech advances that you see in this world. Heck, please tell me if you have the innate wit to figure out how to mass produce simple boxes of toothpicks. Let me say that non of us have the innate wit to figure out the production process, especially the designing and building of the machine necessary to produce toothpicks? None of us have the innate wit to accomplish this. Now consider how our technology and world advanced so drastically over the past 150 years. Consider having to build the machinery and tooling necessary to produce computer chips. Such engineering feats, again, is far, far beyond our innate wit. My suggestion to you is to be humble and listen to this old fool. Go ahead, and try to figure out how to mass produce toothpicks with your puny innate wit!
 
Robert_Sock said:
They are my deepest beliefs. I really believe in another world that guides and controls our world. From where does technology come? How else could our world grow to over seven billion people without it crashing? Our innate wit is simply too puny to account for all the high tech advances that you see in this world. Heck, please tell me if you have the innate wit to figure out how to mass produce simple boxes of toothpicks. Let me say that non of us have the innate wit to figure out the production process, especially the designing and building of the machine necessary to produce toothpicks? None of us have the innate wit to accomplish this. Now consider how our technology and world advanced so drastically over the past 150 years. Consider having to build the machinery and tooling necessary to produce computer chips. Such engineering feats, again, is far, far beyond our innate wit. My suggestion to you is to be humble and listen to this old fool. Go ahead, and try to figure out how to mass produce toothpicks with your puny innate wit!
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I feel like we’ve had this conversation before, Robert.:rolleyes:
 
Robert_Sock said:
They are my deepest beliefs. I really believe in another world that guides and controls our world. From where does technology come? How else could our world grow to over seven billion people without it crashing? Our innate wit is simply too puny to account for all the high tech advances that you see in this world. Heck, please tell me if you have the innate wit to figure out how to mass produce simple boxes of toothpicks. Let me say that non of us have the innate wit to figure out the production process, especially the designing and building of the machine necessary to produce toothpicks? None of us have the innate wit to accomplish this. Now consider how our technology and world advanced so drastically over the past 150 years. Consider having to build the machinery and tooling necessary to produce computer chips. Such engineering feats, again, is far, far beyond our innate wit. My suggestion to you is to be humble and listen to this old fool. Go ahead, and try to figure out how to mass produce toothpicks with your puny innate wit!
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Robert,

I suggest you look at the technology of the past. Take China. They had these things figured out long before the West did:

Cast iron

Manufacture of steel from cast iron

Deep drilling of natural gas

The suspension bridge

Petroleum and natural gas for fuel

Paper

The wheelbarrow

Porcelain

The umbrella

Matches

The mechanical clock

Printing, including movable type

And they had all this (and more) in the B.C. era.

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
Robert,

I suggest you look at the technology of the past. Take China. They had these things figured out long before the West did:

Cast iron

Manufacture of steel from cast iron

Deep drilling of natural gas

The suspension bridge

Petroleum and natural gas for fuel

Paper

The wheelbarrow

Porcelain

The umbrella

Matches

The mechanical clock

Printing, including movable type

And they had all this (and more) in the B.C. era.

Peace,
Ed
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OK, but you still have to convince me that we have the innate with on how to mass produce toothpicks. Who does all this modern-day technology? Do you personally know of anyone who invents one of a kind, modern-day machines?
 
Robert_Sock said:
OK, but you still have to convince me that we have the innate with on how to mass produce toothpicks. Who does all this modern-day technology? Do you personally know of anyone who invents one of a kind, modern-day machines?
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As someone who studies at a university, yes, I do. For example, one of my classmates works in an engineering lab on projects relating to how to make more controlled explosions (useful for mining as well as the military)

George,

There is nothing wrong in itself with Psychology, Psychiatry or Social Science. Psychology, for instance, is a useful background to have when pastoring a parish. And it is not for nothing that Church-run universities have published the Catholic Social Science Review, and have done so for decades. Do I think there have been some social scientists who have used their work to falsely malign the Church? Yes, but so have engineers, entomologists, biologists, and medical doctors. Yet the Church condemns none of those fields.
 
Cojuanco said:
As someone who studies at a university, yes, I do. For example, one of my classmates works in an engineering lab on projects relating to how to make more controlled explosions (useful for mining as well as the military)

George,

There is nothing wrong in itself with Psychology, Psychiatry or Social Science. Psychology, for instance, is a useful background to have when pastoring a parish. And it is not for nothing that Church-run universities have published the Catholic Social Science Review, and have done so for decades. Do I think there have been some social scientists who have used their work to falsely malign the Church? Yes, but so have engineers, entomologists, biologists, and medical doctors. Yet the Church condemns none of those fields.
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A research psychologist: That’s what I wanted to be. But when I got there I found nothing but very low morale amongst my new peers. The field of research psychology was a scam, with no research related to LOVE. I eventually traded my career in research psychology to become a devout Catholic.
 
Robert_Sock said:
OK, but you still have to convince me that we have the innate with on how to mass produce toothpicks. Who does all this modern-day technology? Do you personally know of anyone who invents one of a kind, modern-day machines?
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Personally, no, but it happens all the time. Pick up a copy of Popular Science, Best Inventions of 2012.

Or go here to see one of a kind technology.

sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130226113828.htm

Peace,
Ed
 
Robert_Sock said:
A research psychologist: That’s what I wanted to be. But when I got there I found nothing but very low morale amongst my new peers. The field of research psychology was a scam, with no research related to LOVE. I eventually traded my career in research psychology to become a devout Catholic.
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If the majority of policemen are grave sinners, does that make police work a scam? Also remember that there is a good chance your parish priest may have some psychological training.

Also, science is morally neutral, like a firearm. It is to what ends one uses science that is moral or not.
 
Robert_Sock said:
OK, but you still have to convince me that we have the innate with on how to mass produce toothpicks. Who does all this modern-day technology? Do you personally know of anyone who invents one of a kind, modern-day machines?
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I do all this modern-day technology. Thomas Alva Edison said: "Success is 10 percent inspiration and 90 percent perspiration.” I work everyday with people to develop new technologies, most of the time is evolutionary work but people often do not realize that. The problem is that one of a kind is almost never one of a kind.
 
In my amateur, layman state I say no. I much wiser man, Thomas Sowell, will most likely say no as well. To advocate and to entertain such an idea would be foolish.
 
Cristiano said:
I do all this modern-day technology. Thomas Alva Edison said: "Success is 10 percent inspiration and 90 percent perspiration.” I work everyday with people to develop new technologies, most of the time is evolutionary work but people often do not realize that. The problem is that one of a kind is almost never one of a kind.
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You ignore my key question:
Robert_Sock said:
OK, but you still have to convince me that we have the innate wit on how to mass produce toothpicks.
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Chopping wood out the back should not be managed by social psychologists, let alone society.

I turned my back on the study of social psychology, the reason being that it was a vague humanities subject posing as science - that is charlatanry and pseudo-science.

Most of its “method” is predicated on fallacies that would be laughed out of a physics lab in five seconds, and the way it throws the words “cause” and “causal” around in its most esteemed and authoritative pronouncements would get a first year undergrad viciously savaged in any actual science to teach them the most basic of lessons.

This seems to be a sad consequence when humanities students allow themselves the luxury of using the language and academic trappings of a physical science in the legitimate hope of proper rigorous study - pseudoscience that believes in its own legend.
 
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