Should the Confirmation age be lowered?

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And now you don’t care,but will just follow the leadership of your diocese. That is progress, good for you to now admit you are no longer sure which way is right.
I was referring to the order of the Rites of Initiation…I still firmly believe what I stated that Confirmation should take place at the 12th grade level. The CCC references that are used can be interpreted to allow later Confirmation as our Diocese prescribes.

Seeing the benefits that later confirmation allows, it is unlikely our Diocese will change unless something is changed at a higher level.

I also am quite surprised at the vitriol included in some of the last few posts. That’s what I certainly call “living your faith”:tsktsk:
 
Jim,
I wanted to further explain my concerns about the guidelines you posted.
Under Candidate it states:
“Becoming a fully initiated member of the Roman Catholic Church is the
personal choice of an individual. After dialogue with their family and parish
ministers, some individuals may decide to delay this commitment to full
initiation in the Church.”
I know these are guidelines and not the actual text books/material, but the flags go up, so to speak, regarding personal choice. Although a young adult will have to make a decision later in life whether or not to practice their faith, it has been largely decided, usually when they are young, that this is the wishes of the parents; their children to be Catholic. Each time a person attends Mass and recites the creed, this is an affirmation of their personal choice in what they believe. This is done in a special way, at least here, at our Easter Vigil. You can, whether Confirmed yet or not, make a personal act of faith which is a good habit!
I realize that some of the older youth may be facing a lot of different things, eg the natural questioning of things (which can lead to further understanding and growth), that could be interpreted by them to mean they are unsure. Being unsure they should not proceed. This is not how the Sacraments of Initiation, especially those baptized as infants, is supposed take place.
I also wonder if denying them the graces of the Holy Spirit for so long hasn’t caused some of this too.
The Bishop surely has authority in his diocese to make policy how he wants the faithful to proceed/teach,etc. He doesn’t, however, have the authority to teach things that are opposed to what we believe. If there are errors being taught, a Catholic has a right and duty to bring it to his attention.
What I posted gives me concern because Confirmation isn’t about the youth confirming their faith.
Bishop Aquila not long ago changed it for his diocese as he finally saw the errors that were being spread:
"The view that confirmation is a way for young people to make a personal commitment to their faith “distorts” the sacrament, he said.

“Confirmation is not marked by a choice to believe or not believe in the Catholic faith. Rather, as disciples, we are chosen by God to receive the fullness of the Holy Spirit, to be sealed with the gift of the Holy Spirit generously bestowed by God, and we are called to cooperate with that grace,” he explained.

Confirmation confers a gift of the Holy Spirit that is ordered to “the life of worship,” the bishop said while summarizing Catholic thought. It helps the person achieve a “more perfect integration” into the body of Christ. This helps us understand how confirmation is ordered to the Eucharist."

Read more: ncregister.com/daily-news/bishop-aquila-confirmation-should-be-received-before-first-communion#ixzz2a3ZAPDXx

ncregister.com/daily-news/bishop-aquila-confirmation-should-be-received-before-first-communion
 
I realize that some of the older youth may be facing a lot of different things, eg the natural questioning of things (which can lead to further understanding and growth), that could be interpreted by them to mean they are unsure. Being unsure they should not proceed. This is not how the Sacraments of Initiation, especially those baptized as infants, is supposed take place.

I also wonder if denying them the graces of the Holy Spirit for so long hasn’t caused some of this too.
That is my thought too. In delaying the sacrament of confirmation do we deny children the graces they most need to bolster they spiritual growth?
What I posted gives me concern because Confirmation isn’t about the youth confirming their faith.

Bishop Aquila not long ago changed it for his diocese as he finally saw the errors that were being spread:

"The view that confirmation is a way for young people to make a personal commitment to their faith “distorts” the sacrament, he said.

“Confirmation is not marked by a choice to believe or not believe in the Catholic faith. Rather, as disciples, we are chosen by God to receive the fullness of the Holy Spirit, to be sealed with the gift of the Holy Spirit generously bestowed by God, and we are called to cooperate with that grace,” he explained.

Confirmation confers a gift of the Holy Spirit that is ordered to “the life of worship,” the bishop said while summarizing Catholic thought. It helps the person achieve a “more perfect integration” into the body of Christ. This helps us understand how confirmation is ordered to the Eucharist."
That’s really my problem with the idea that confirmation should be delayed until a kid’s senior year. Confirmation is not something that is earned once sufficient academic achievement has been obtained. We do not confirm our belief in the Church, but rather are confirmed by the Holy Spirit. In other words is is not something we do, but something done to us. We should not be playing gatekeeper to a gift freely given by God. I don’t remember any tests being administered before the decent of the Holy Spirit in Acts of the Apostles but maybe a missed the descent of the Holy DRE before hand. 😉

In the end the only act necessary should be to ask regardless of how much knowledge we have acquired. Yes, know what you are asking, but that does not mean a full course of catechesis on Catholic theology and moral teaching. Just as reception of the Eucharist only requires a basic understanding that it is more than just bread, so confirmation should only require a minimal understanding that it strengthens one to not deny the Cross. Everything else is secondary and should not be used to deny the sacraments.
 
There is a Q/A pop quiz at Confirmation ceremonies? How inappropriate!
At my confirmation way back in the last year of the 1980s, and my brother’s oldest’s confirmation a year ago, the BISHOP asks various questions that the students have to be able to answer, after his short homily. Things like “What are the Gifts of the Holy Spirit?” or “What is a Sacrament?”

It is meant to test them to see if they know their faith. Its no different than a test they would take in religion class. Is there something wrong with this?

It’ll be interesting to see if the Archbishop does the same thing when I attend my oldest niece’s confirmation this school year.
 
At my confirmation way back in the last year of the 1980s, and my brother’s oldest’s confirmation a year ago, the BISHOP asks various questions that the students have to be able to answer, after his short homily. Things like “What are the Gifts of the Holy Spirit?” or “What is a Sacrament?”

It is meant to test them to see if they know their faith. Its no different than a test they would take in religion class. Is there something wrong with this?

It’ll be interesting to see if the Archbishop does the same thing when I attend my oldest niece’s confirmation this school year.
I think the point is that Confirmation should not be a reward for getting the questions right.

I have seen some confirmation questions about reciting all 20 mysteries of the Rosary. First, not everyone recites the Rosary and even then not everyone prays the Luminous Mysteries. Another example; Which is the oldest gospel? Does it matter if you know which was written first?

Yes all of us should know the faith, but we should use a minimal requirement rather than using the sacraments as a way to keep kids around until we have educated them as much as we can.

I guess what I am saying is that when the sacraments are only available with academic achievement then we have distorted a gift from God. The sacraments support and strengthen the foundations of the faith. They are not the steeple at the top; only to be added once everything else is in place.
 
I don’t think the q&a are inappropriate but have found the younger ones are more eager to answer, even of wrong, than the older ones. As long as they are not denied bc they can’t answer exactly right. We did have a time in our history where there were tough eximations outside of the mass. If a child demo started they didn’t know, the priest could decide it was best to wait another year. I remember reading about the fatima children and one having a particular problem w answering all the questions. Now, Blessed Imelda Lambertini is partly responsible for our shift in age of reception ESP of First Holy Communion. This is also where the sacraments were separated, confirmation separated from occurring before holy communion. It was largely in part of the bishops inability to get to all the parishes not a change in our understanding of the sacraments of initiation.
 
The option I wanted wasn’t on the poll - I say it should be around the age I was when I was confirmed, which was 11 or 12. Here are my reasons, besides the fact that it worked well for me. 😉


  1. *]Having it too close to First Communion I don’t think is a good idea because each Sacrament should be given due attention on its own. RCIA is a different situation, but even then there should be sufficient emphasis on what Confirmation means.

    *]Having it in the teen years is problematic for another reason - teens are prone to false idealism and easily swayed by their peers. Once a teen catches wind of another teen resisting Confirmation, he or she might be tempted to follow suit. The teen who resists is seen as a free spirit, and often romanticized in the way that rebels are.

    But even if a teen comes up with the resistance all on his or her own, it’s still often a product of being at the age where independence is desperately sought and Confirmation becomes the battleground on which a major skirmish of this sort can be fought. Teens so often are under pressure to appear “too cool for school” or in this case, for religion.

    And they have been exposed to more reading and media that test their Faith - stories about atheists, literature from authors who’ve lost their Faith, etc. It can plant seeds of doubt that are genuine and instead of working through these, the teen lets them be huge stumbling blocks.

    *]The age I mentioned, 11 or 12, has some of the same pitfalls - I’m sure much more so than when I was that age. But there’s usually still a better combination of innocence but with the intellectual development sufficient to grasp what it means to become a “soldier for Christ.”
 
In addition to all the other concerns listed for delaying this sacrament till they are almost full adults, is the decision of the parents.
When my husband and I made the decision to baptize our children as Catholics, we didn’t do this with the understanding that they would be partially initiated and later have the option to not finish the sacraments. We wanted them to be fully members of Christ’s Church, as closely bound up with Christ and his gifts as possible.
When you wait that long and give the older youth the option, it seems to me to take away the wishes of the parents also. I pray that our children can stand against all things that come against their faith, temptations - whether worldly or internally or both. I would be naive to believe they may not fall away, cease to be practicing the faith. If there comes a time when this happens, I will storm the heavens as it is their personal choice, and making the faith their own as adults in which I will have limited authority over - encouraging rather than insisting as they are when under my care/roof.
But, to have the Church turn around and say that we started something, their being a Christian when baptized, to give them the option, especially to older teen who are known for their stubbornness, the option to “bail”, is insulting to me. Those are my personal views.
IOW, if they may have a crisis of faith and fall away, I don’t want it to be because of the graces from the sacraments they failed to receive, of my own doing.
 
I was referring to the order of the Rites of Initiation…I still firmly believe what I stated that Confirmation should take place at the 12th grade level. The CCC references that are used can be interpreted to allow later Confirmation as our Diocese prescribes.

Seeing the benefits that later confirmation allows, it is unlikely our Diocese will change unless something is changed at a higher level.

I also am quite surprised at the vitriol included in some of the last few posts. That’s what I certainly call “living your faith”:tsktsk:
I sincerely apologize if any of my posts came across as vitriolic. I admit that I unwisely wrote some sarcastic comments, out of frustration, but they were not intended to express any bitterness or hatred. So please accept my apology.

At the same time, please understand the frustration that led to the previous post you just quoted. You said you don’t care if I am right or wrong. You had previous cited a couple of paragraphs from the Catechism which you said (and now you repeat it) can be interpreted as indicating a later age for confirmation. But you provide no details on that interpretation. Which is consistent with not caring if I am right or wrong. I ask you to please reconsider. While I admit my arguments are strongly worded, please understand that I do care if you are right or wrong. In response to those particular Catechism paragraphs, I showed you the respect to explain my interpretations (please see post 82). In one place, when I was wrong I explicitly acknowledged it.

You refer to your diocesan document to explain the reasoning for a late age of confirmation, which you firmly believe in, yet it provides no explanation.

The other thread has been closed, and I do not believe I posted anything out of line on that thread, but I apologize to the good Fr who was participating if I did.

So please, you are a catechist, as such, please reconsider your lack of concern for my correctness.

I am going to open another thread, a little more specific.

Again, I acknowledge the Church allows for a bishop’s conference to set the age of the confirmation, and in the US the conference has allowed it to be celebrated between the age of reason and the age of 16. So I know bishops have the authority to set the age, and that the Church does not have a set requirement as to the order the sacraments of initiation are given.

But I still claim the Church’s teaching does more than just describe the sacraments in a particular order, it actually teaches there is a proper order, but it does not require that order to be followed.

Historically, based on my research, that in the West, the sacrament was separated from baptism a in the 4th or 5th century. It became somewhat poorly administered during the middle ages. The Council of Trent taught that all should be confirmed, that the age should be between the age of 7 and 12, and that the Eucharist should only be given at an older age when parents and pastors determined appropriate. I know that in the early 20th century, 1st communion was moved to the age of reason, and as such was the first that the order was reversed on a standardized basis. But even then confirmation was most commonly administered prior to the age of 12 or 13, except when it was difficult for a Bishop to visit a parish due to travel on a regular basis. And it has only been the last 20-30 years where it has been moved in many places to the teenage years as standard practice.

So my question is why, in this time and place, has the age of confirmation been set in most places, to such a late age?

My sincere desire is for the graces of the sacrament, as describe in CCC 1303, to be made available to my children and to all Catholic children at as early age as possible. I consider this extremely important considering the state of our society and culture. And I think, those of us who really care about this issue, deserve an answer from the Church as to why our children are not allowed to receive these graces.
 
I don’t think it much matters. I was 9 and most of the others in my class were 10 (4th grade). I get the impression that dioceses have upped the age to older high school in order to keep the kids in the system longer, so to speak, like a forced participation.
 
I am all for having confirmation earlier. Mostly just because I am living proof that treating confirmation as a rite of passage that you get when you’re older once you’ve taken your catechism classes and know your faith leads Catholics to a false and heretical understanding of the sacraments. For years I viewed confirmation as a rite of passage. I did not at all understand the real nature of it because it was obscured by the idea that it was a rite of passage. Just as receiving communion under both species was restricted to only receiving under one to teach people that it was heretical to believe the species of bread was only the body and the species of wine only the blood I think it would be a really good idea to lower the age of confirmation to help renew the understanding among Catholics of what the nature of the sacrament of confirmation actually is. And, so that we continue to have a way of encouraging parents to send their kids to catechisis we should develop a new ceremony, obviously not a sacrament, for the sake of being a rite of passage, an opportunity for the kids to publicly choose their faith themselves because they themselves accept it and believe it. Don’t turn confirmation into a rite of passage, instead start a new rite of passage ceremony itself.
 
In my opinion it dose not really matter what age a child or teenager is confirmed.
The customs have gradually changed through out the centuries and has varied
in the European countries. Confirmation has come before first communion in old times.
From my research some parish priest decided when the right age was due according
to the individual child’s intelligence. If I can remember correctly the whole thing
was changed some where in the nineteenth century, communion started coming
before confirmation. The Eastern church always kept things the same. Babbies
have baptism and confirmation at the same time.
 
In my opinion it dose not really matter what age a child or teenager is confirmed.
The customs have gradually changed through out the centuries and has varied
in the European countries. Confirmation has come before first communion in old times.
From my research some parish priest decided when the right age was due according
to the individual child’s intelligence. If I can remember correctly the whole thing
was changed some where in the nineteenth century, communion started coming
before confirmation. The Eastern church always kept things the same. Babbies
have baptism and confirmation at the same time.
Pope Pius X changed things around. Now there is such a confusion at what age the Church recognizes the age of discretion to be, the added responsibility of all of the “new” moral implications for the confirmand to be aware of and understand has necessarily, in the views of many, and much to the disliking of others, the age to the teenage years. This will be an area of contention among Catholics until something official is written on the subject.
 
The age of Discretion is about 7 yo.
If a child requests this sacrament and is not old enough according to diocesan policy, they can still be granted permission.
The contention, in my opinion, would lessen if most, at least ours, could see the material being used is full of errors.
 
The age of Discretion is about 7 yo.
If a child requests this sacrament and is not old enough according to diocesan policy, they can still be granted permission.
The contention, in my opinion, would lessen if most, at least ours, could see the material being used is full of errors.
The 7 YO age you note is an antiquated belief based on a much simple time in history.
 
The 7 YO age you note is an antiquated belief based on a much simple time in history.
Can you explain this? The church teaches that the age of discretion is around 7 years old. This is the age at which children attain the use of reason and begin to have moral responsibility. Episcopal conferences can choose a different age (other than the age of discretion) for the reception of confirmation, but that doesn’t change what the age of discretion is. The age is based on human development and the ability to tell right from wrong. It won’t be the same for every person, but it is reached in early childhood, unless the person is impaired mentally.
 
Can you explain this? The church teaches that the age of discretion is around 7 years old. This is the age at which children attain the use of reason and begin to have moral responsibility. Episcopal conferences can choose a different age (other than the age of discretion) for the reception of confirmation, but that doesn’t change what the age of discretion is. The age is based on human development and the ability to tell right from wrong. It won’t be the same for every person, but it is reached in early childhood, unless the person is impaired mentally.
This is a presumption, and open to interpretation. That is why it is not binding and the age that the Sacrament is administered is subject. This is how and why parishes can deny the Sacrament until a proper level of catechesis has been obtained.
 
This is a presumption, and open to interpretation. That is why it is not binding and the age that the Sacrament is administered is subject. This is how and why parishes can deny the Sacrament until a proper level of catechesis has been obtained.
The oft-cited document lowering the age for communion is an interesting read. I’m not sure how many have actually read the whole thing. Here’s an excerpt.
However, in the precise determination of “the age of reason or discretion” not a few errors and deplorable abuses have crept in during the course of time. There were some who maintained that one age of discretion must be assigned to reception of the Sacrament of Penance and another to the Holy Eucharist. They held that for Confession the age of discretion is reached when one can distinguish right from wrong, hence can commit sin; for Holy Eucharist, however, a greater age is required in which a full knowledge of matters of faith and a better preparation of the soul can be had. As a consequence, owing to various local customs and opinions, the age determined for the reception of First Communion was placed at ten years or twelve, and in places fourteen years or even more were required; and until that age children and youth were prohibited from Eucharistic Communion.
I’m pretty sure the arguments outlined in the document could be used to address the current situation with confirmation.

Furthermore, canon law states the following:
Can. 890 The faithful are bound to receive this sacrament at the proper time. Parents and pastors of souls, especially parish priests, are to see that the faithful are properly instructed to receive the sacrament and come to it at the opportune time.

Can. 891 The sacrament of confirmation is to be conferred on the faithful at about the age of discretion, unless the Episcopal Conference has decided on a different age, or there is a danger of death or, in the judgment of the minister, a grave reason suggests otherwise.
In the case of the United States, our Bishops have determined that Confirmation can be given at any time between the age of 7 and 16 years of age. This does not say that the age of discretion is this age, just that a Bishop may choose a later age, as allowed by canon law.

Continued in the next post…
 
You are mistaken Jim. It isn’t antiquated but what is outlined in our laws, canon law, which is where your diocese should make their policy along w what the bishops approved.
It is those beliefs that are in error. My son received it before his first communion.
These are very common errors that still persist. What is approved for the US is between age of discretion and about 16.
 
In one case, an 11 year old girl had requested Confirmation, even though her Bishop had set a later age. Her Bishop denied her request, and she and her parents appealed to Rome. This is an excerpt from the communications from the Vatican to the Bishop.

“In light of Your Excellency’s considered response, this Dicastery considers it necessary to respond in some detail to the considerations you raise, and so the case was submitted to a renewed and attentive examination. The Congregation was anxious to communicate the results of this study as soon as possible asking you to note the authoritative nature of the conclusions contained therein ….”

After clarifying that the Vatican congregation does have authority to examine the bishop’s decision not to allow the confirmation, the letter proceeds:

"In reply to this Congregation’s decision that appropriate steps be taken to provide for the girl’s confirmation in the near future, Your Excellency had proposed essentially two arguments:

"1. Though willingly admitting that the girl is well instructed and that her parents are very good Catholics, you point out that ‘instruction is not the sole criterion for recognizing the opportune time for confirmation … this evaluation is a pastoral one which involves much more than being instructed.’

"2. Your Excellency indicates that the Diocesan Policy establishing that conferral of the Sacrament is to be no earlier than the sophomore year of high school is within the right inherent in the law in light of the legislation complementary to can. 891 for the Conference of Bishops to which you belong.

“With respect to Your Excellency’s first point, it is no doubt true that there is a pastoral judgment to be made in such cases, provided that by ‘pastoral judgment’ one is speaking of the obligation of the Sacred Pastors to determine whether those elements required by the revised Code of Canon Law are indeed present, namely, that the person be baptized, have the use of reason, be suitably instructed and be properly disposed and able to renew the baptismal promises (cf. cann 843,1; 889,2) … it is clear this young girl has satisfied each of the canonical requisites for reception of the sacrament.”

In regard to the second point, while the selection of an older age for confirmation is within the bishop’s right, the congregation goes on to say:

“*t is also clear that any such complementary legislation must always be interpreted in accord with the general norm of law. As has been stated before, the Code of Canon Law legislates that Sacred Ministers may not deny the Sacraments to those who are not prohibited by law from receiving them (cf. can 843,1). Since it has been demonstrated that the girl possesses these requisite qualities, any other considerations, even those contained in the Diocesan Policy, need to be understood in subordination to the general norms governing the reception of the Sacraments.”

After pointing out that it is the role of parents as the primary educators, and then of the sacred pastors to see that children are properly instructed, the letter adds:

“Consequently, when a member of the faithful wishes to receive this Sacrament, even though not satisfying one or more elements of the local legislation (for example, being younger than the designated age …), these elements must give way to the fundamental right of the faithful to receive the Sacraments. Indeed, the longer the conferral of the Sacrament is delayed after the age of reason, the greater the number of candidates who are prepared for its reception but are deprived of its grace for a considerable period of time.” *

It seems clear to me that it is the Bishop’s right to set a later age for the reception of the sacrament, but if a properly disposed person, above the age of 7, capable of renewing Baptismal promises and demonstrating a basic understanding of the sacrament, requests it, it is not to be denied.

The above information came from
canonlaw.info/a_preparingchildren.htm, which gives one perspective on how much can reasonable required of candidates preparing for Confirmation.
 
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