Should the re-distrubution of wealth and power be worldwide?

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Sure but its all right for the oil companies to raise prices to whatever they want. We giive it to them or we walk or freeze. Don’t just give people money, there has to be a better way cause the dictatorial capatilistic system is not working.
There truly are “dictatorial capitalistic systems” in the world. There aren’t very many, but Singapore would be an excellent example of one. But, wait, it isn’t poor, is it?

Then there are the “dictatorial socialistic systems”. Zimbabwe would be a good example of that. Zimbabwe used to export food. Now it imports it. Come to think of it, there are a lot of dictatorial socialistic systems in the world, and every single one of them is poor.

But how would we change Zimbabwe without invading?

On gas prices. Adjusted for inflation, gasoline prices have always been between $2.00 and $4.00/gallon, from the very beginning. To the extent that there are artificial constraints on production (like the late 1970s and now) it goes to the high end of the range.
 
. . .Come to think of it, there are a lot of dictatorial socialistic systems in the world, and every single one of them is poor.
Why is this so? Soon, I pray, you will see these “dictators” fall like dominoes!
 
I for one am tired of reading how cutting government waste is sinful. Christ never said to shovel money into the streets for the poor. I don’t know about the UK, but the US has spent trillions of dollars on the War On Poverty, so why do we still have poverty? Until you can answer that, you should refrain from judging others who are asking some legitimate questions. :mad:

“If incomes are equalize, they will be equalized at a low level.” – Economist Vilfredo Pareto, c. 1925
Dear sedonaman,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou for your response.

It is important, dear friend, to distinguish between those who are genuinely needy and who are unable to work through no deliberate fault of their own and those who have made living on welfare payments a lifestyle choice. Increasingly, people are no longer making that distinction and are becoming hardhearted and tarring all recipients of welfare with the same brush and that is manifestly unjust and un-Christian.

Our dear Lord said that the poor would be always with us and there are many reasons for poverty, my dear friend, and indolence, it is quite true, is one of them. However, another reason is mental or physical ill-health, which can often preclude people from working for a whole variety of perfectly legitimate reasons. Again, we must needs distinguish bewteen deserving and undeserving cases, otherwise we are surely at risk of becoming callous and indifferent to the needs of the genuine poor and disadvantaged in our midst. Clearly, not all state benefits recipients are ‘scroungers’ or freeloaders, although a small percentage undoubtedly are, dear friend, and that I freely admit.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
Why is this so? Soon, I pray, you will see these “dictators” fall like dominoes!
Why is this so?

Leftism is inherently authoritarian. It has to be, because it runs counter to every human instinct. And absolute power corrupts. There really isn’t a whole lot more to know about it.
 
Why is this so?

Leftism is inherently authoritarian. It has to be, because it runs counter to every human instinct. And absolute power corrupts. There really isn’t a whole lot more to know about it.
There’s a lot more to know in the complex world of politics. Just watch how things change…and so quickly. We live in a world of hidden contracts and the like. Things are anything but like the way they are portrayed by the mass media.
 
Dear sedonaman,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou for your response.

It is important, dear friend, to distinguish between those who are genuinely needy and who are unable to work through no deliberate fault of their own and those who have made living on welfare payments a lifestyle choice. Increasingly, people are no longer making that distinction and are becoming hardhearted and tarring all recipients of welfare with the same brush and that is manifestly unjust and un-Christian.

Our dear Lord said that the poor would be always with us and there are many reasons for poverty, my dear friend, and indolence, it is quite true, is one of them. However, another reason is mental or physical ill-health, which can often preclude people from working for a whole variety of perfectly legitimate reasons. Again, we must needs distinguish bewteen deserving and undeserving cases, otherwise we are surely at risk of becoming callous and indifferent to the needs of the genuine poor and disadvantaged in our midst. Clearly, not all state benefits recipients are ‘scroungers’ or freeloaders, although a small percentage undoubtedly are, dear friend, and that I freely admit.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
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Fairness **

Fairness is another criteria for cost-allocation. The economics text states, “This criterion is often cited in government contracts when cost allocations are the basis for establishing a price satisfactory to the government and its supplier…For most allocation decisions, fairness is a lofty objective rather than an operational criterion.”

I find it interesting that economics cannot define the term “fairness.” **** “Need” is another word that economics cannot define. Additionally, it looks like accounting cannot define fairness as an operational criterion for cost-allocation.
 
Why is this so? Soon, I pray, you will see these “dictators” fall like dominoes!
Mary says that we can do nothing against evil. We need Jesus to heal the world. There is no future without Jesus!

August 2, 2011, **Our Lady said:

“…you cannot stop the evil that wants to begin to rule in this world and to destroy it. But, according to God’s will, all together, with my Son, you can change everything and heal the world…”**

You cannot win this war we are in, without Our Lady, without Jesus. We will be scattered, and the world destroyed. This is Our Lady’s great joy, if we follow Her into the ambush and scatter evil. This message today is very much a call to be in an offensive position, not defensive. It is the peace that is to reign, not a rule of evil which has now come to reign.

**February 2, 2012

“…pride has come to rule…”
**
 
Mary says that we can do nothing against evil. We need Jesus to heal the world. There is no future without Jesus!

August 2, 2011, **Our Lady said:

“…you cannot stop the evil that wants to begin to rule in this world and to destroy it. But, according to God’s will, all together, with my Son, you can change everything and heal the world…”**

You cannot win this war we are in, without Our Lady, without Jesus. We will be scattered, and the world destroyed. This is Our Lady’s great joy, if we follow Her into the ambush and scatter evil. This message today is very much a call to be in an offensive position, not defensive. It is the peace that is to reign, not a rule of evil which has now come to reign.

**February 2, 2012

“…pride has come to rule…”
**
Yes, Jesus will cause them to fall!
 
Yes, Jesus will cause them to fall!
*Our nation became weak by our not living our faith. Tyranny is rising up to fill the void that formally was filled with followers of Christ. So where do we start to win? First, with deep repentance, then amend our lives with fasting, prayer, peace and penance. We must have both a strong daily structured and spontaneous prayer life. Next, we look at where evil began to win and where we began to lose. It is our Judeo-Christian principles that is to be applied into the fabric of our institutions, from the highest echelons of government to the least. It is what makes this country the beacon of hope for the world. And through this nation, the whole world will fall into tyranny or rise up for a new springtime for the Church and the nation. The United States of America is the wall evil must knock down to flood the earth with evil. But do not mistake what is written here, that the United States can be saved by any other way or method than by Christ being in the heart of its people, and thereby the United States as a nation. It is the Christ, the King whom we recognize as the reason for our being a great nation. We are entering a period that apart from Christ, there is no future. *
 
I’m not sure how to accomplish it but world hunger and poverty needs to end. Everyone can be of use in the economy.
I wonder why there has never a privatized socialist economic system…? After all, wouldn’t such a system by its privatized nature prevent authoritarian dictators from oppression?
This system could work alongside a capitalist system to pick up all those who either cannot or or choose not to take part in capitalism… Multiple economic monetary systems would allow more freedom to choose -the basis of liberty and freedom revolves around being able to choose, no?
 
Why is this so? …
To get socialism to work, you have to take away peoples’ rights.

Leftists think that utopia can be coerced into existence – so no dishonesty or brutality is beyond them in pursuit of that “noble” goal. – Dr. Jon Jay Ray
 
… It is important, dear friend, to distinguish between those who are genuinely needy and who are unable to work through no deliberate fault of their own and those who have made living on welfare payments a lifestyle choice. Increasingly, people are no longer making that distinction and are becoming hardhearted and tarring all recipients of welfare with the same brush and that is manifestly unjust and un-Christian.
I don’t believe this is true; it’s your perception of what is happening, for you cannot read other peoples’ hearts.

The welfare state in America has destroyed the black family. What the Klan was unable to do, the politicians accomplished all in the name of “compassion”.
 
To get socialism to work, you have to take away peoples’ rights.

Leftists think that utopia can be coerced into existence – so no dishonesty or brutality is beyond them in pursuit of that “noble” goal. – Dr. Jon Jay Ray
What’s more important: Peoples’ rights or the elimination of world hunger and poverty?

I see our capitalistic system giving way to corporatism. I then see corporatism giving way to socialism.
 
What’s more important: Peoples’ rights or the elimination of world hunger and poverty?
This what is known as a false dilemma. There is less hunger and poverty where people are free than where there is socialism.
 
This what is known as a false dilemma. There is less hunger and poverty where people are free than where there is socialism.
Freedom is an illusion. Our world is a fantasy. The domino has already fallen in these “free” societies, and the dominoes are about to fall in these dictatorship societies.

PREDICTION: We are going to see a new socialism evolve from corporatism; you will see a new socialism working alongside corporatism.
 
Dear sedonaman,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou for your response.

It is important, dear friend, to distinguish between those who are genuinely needy and who are unable to work through no deliberate fault of their own and those who have made living on welfare payments a lifestyle choice. Increasingly, people are no longer making that distinction and are becoming hardhearted and tarring all recipients of welfare with the same brush and that is manifestly unjust and un-Christian.

Our dear Lord said that the poor would be always with us and there are many reasons for poverty, my dear friend, and indolence, it is quite true, is one of them. However, another reason is mental or physical ill-health, which can often preclude people from working for a whole variety of perfectly legitimate reasons. Again, we must needs distinguish bewteen deserving and undeserving cases, otherwise we are surely at risk of becoming callous and indifferent to the needs of the genuine poor and disadvantaged in our midst. Clearly, not all state benefits recipients are ‘scroungers’ or freeloaders, although a small percentage undoubtedly are, dear friend, and that I freely admit.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
No one here has “tarred” anyone because they receive welfare. What we have been saying is that the welfare system we have is seriously flawed since it has created generational poverty when it was intended to relieve it. The system needs revamping, but anytime conservatives say so they are “tarred” with being uncaring and greedy, which is simply not the case. So, we should be careful who we accuse of what when dealing with social issues. 😉
 
Freedom is an illusion. Our world is a fantasy. The domino has already fallen in these “free” societies, and the dominoes are about to fall in these dictatorship societies.

PREDICTION: We are going to see a new socialism evolve from corporatism; you will see a new socialism working alongside corporatism.
So, why are you pushing any form of socialism? Free people create jobs and are productive. Ensalved people do not and are not. It’s just that simple. We shouldn’t be enslaved to anyone, be it government or big business. Small businesses are still the backbone of a free economy, always have been and always will be. That’s how it works.
 
The ideas of economists and political philosophers,
both when they are right and when they are wrong,
are more powerful than is commonly understood.
Indeed the world is ruled by little else. Practical
men [and women], who believe themselves to be
quite exempt from any intellectual influences,
are usually the slaves of some defunct economist
.
– John Maynard Keynes
 
…What we have been saying is that the welfare system we have is seriously flawed since it has created generational poverty when it was intended to relieve it. The system needs revamping, but anytime conservatives say so they are “tarred” with being uncaring and greedy, which is simply not the case. So, we should be careful who we accuse of what when dealing with social issues. 😉
Strange that the health care system [ante øbamacare] was 85%* fixed, but was “fatally flawed” according to liberals. The current welfare system is 81%** flawed, but any reform is sinful and an attack on the poor motivated by “greed”.
  • 85% of the people were happy with their plan.
** Only 19% of the welfare dollar spent reaches the intended beneficiary. The rest is administrative overhead and a combination of fraud, waste, and abuse.
 
No one here has “tarred” anyone because they receive welfare. What we have been saying is that the welfare system we have is seriously flawed since it has created generational poverty when it was intended to relieve it. The system needs revamping, but anytime conservatives say so they are “tarred” with being uncaring and greedy, which is simply not the case. So, we should be careful who we accuse of what when dealing with social issues. 😉
Dear Della,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou for your response.

Forgive me, dear friend, but I was not implying that any of contributors to the present thread were indiscriminately lumping all welfare recipients together. However, at least here in the UK, it is a fact that the public are becoming jolly unsympathetic towards benefit claimants of all sorts (even the chronically sick do not escape their disdain) and are wont to speak angrily of “benefit cheats” and those who they feel are disinclined to work. As I stated previously (#56), it would be sheer naivety to deny that there has been some abuse of the benefits system, and even the zealous champions of cliamants rights would, I think, freely acknowledge that. What would be hotly disputed is that this abuse is a widespread occurence on the scale suggested by some politicians and the extreme right wing tabloid press. The latter, for example the Daily Mail, have a habit of finding unique and flagrant cases of benefit abuse (which no right thinking man would defend) and then holding them up as if they were common place and that just about every person who is receiving welfare payments is milking the system somehow. Now I am quite sure that both you and Sedoman would concur that this sort of disengenuous journalism, if you can honour it with that name, is downright scaremongering and smearing of a small, and often vulnerable, segment of society who already have a multitude of difficulties with which to contend, not least financial hardship. The last thing that these people need is to be on the receiving end of harsh and severely critical attitudes that only serve to add to their already heavy burden.

As professing Catholics, we surely ought to be the very people from whom the long-term unemployed and acutely sick receive a ready and sympathetic ear. Moreover, we should freely offer our love and friendship to these poor and vulnerable folk and welcome them in our homes and churches, especially if they are fellow-members of the household of faith. Is not that, my dear friend, the love of Christ in action as well as our duty? A few years ago I was chagrined to hear of a chap in a parish who, after being sadly unemployed for two years, stayed away from divine worship because he was so frightened of being asked what he was doing and why he was still jobless, notwithstanding that he had done his level best to secure gainful employement. It was a fear of harsh and censorious attitudes, and that from his brethren in Christ, to which I alluded at the end of the preceding paragraph, that kept him away. This is as tragic as it is inexcusable and surely within the community of the faithful, at least, no stigma should be attached to unemployment or long-term mental or physical sickness. St. Paul’s dictum ‘if a man will not work, he shall not eat’ (II Thess. 3: 10), be it remembered, was addressed to voluntary unemployment, to the slothful not the redundant. Thus an obligation is laid upon us, dear friend, to warmly welcome and support the jobless and the sick (as Christ Himself would do) in our Catholic parishes, otherwise pious talk about ‘the body of Christ’ and ministy to the poor and marginalized becomes a sick joke.

Many people, not necessarily the posters on this thread, need to change their un-Christian attitudes towards the unemployed and sick and persuade the public to do the same. Unfortunately, this is an arduous task for those who have been tutored in the values of the so-called ‘work ethic’ as they tend to automatically despise those who are losers in the struggle to survive, as if it were all their own fault and if they got their finger out they could find work if they really wanted. Now please understand, dear friend, that I do, as stated before, accept that there are a few work-shy people who do not want to work and prefer to sponge on the community, but I contend that, contrary to the propaganda, they constitute a infintesimal minority. Most normall chaps, unless they are mentally handicaped, want nothing more than a steady job and to earn their own money so as to be independent. There is now, more than ever in these difficult times in which our lot is cast, the urgent need for Christlike sympathy and much more pastoral care than there has been hitherto.

My only plea is that men will repent for their hard speeches and for looking down on the unemployed and chronically sick in receipt of state benefits and imagining all sorts of negative and unkind things respecting them.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
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