Should the state marry gay lovers?

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cathguy said:
If what you say is true (and I presume it is) I recommend that you go to the authorities, even if it has been a long time. Any form of assault against the human person is a crime against God, not to mention a crime against the laws of the state.

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I have told this story before, I did go to the police.

The police thought it was funny, because, once they guy had ripped my clothing off and found out what I was, he went ballistic. I managed to fight him off and escape. They thought it was HILARIOUS that this guy would hit on ‘another guy’ without knowing it. When I told them he had tried to rape me, they laughed more, because ‘You’re a man, you can’t get raped’.

When I pressed it even more, for at least assault, they took out their cuffs and said they’d arrest me for prostitution and/or assaulting the guy instead of the other way around. I shut up, fled and kept my mouth shut.

I went to the ACLU and a few other places, apparently the only way I really would have had anything I could do was if I had gotten them to arrest me, because then there would be records to fight against for a false arrest, but since GLBT’s are not protected in any form in that state, I had to right to complain of discrimination. As far as the law was concerned, it was two men who got into a tussle in a bathroom, not worth the police’s time or effort.
 
pathia said:
I have had to leave multiple parishes because of the sheer fact they did not want me there, especially around children. They were simply traumatized by my existence once the rumor mill began to churn. I was a walking aspect of sin, a demon in the real world.
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That’s a sad state of affairs. I’ve never seen that sort of thing in my diocese. The Catholics I know are able to recognize and nurture the bond shared by being human.
 
Benadam said:
That’s a sad state of affairs. I’ve never seen that sort of thing in my diocese. The Catholics I know are able to recognize and nurture the bond shared by being human.
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That’s the thing, in many places I don’t appear to qualify as human. I have been thrown out of my apartment because of my ‘lifestyle’, I have been fired, I have been assaulted, the list goes on and I have no legal recourse, none.

Not in the state it happened in anyway, I have sense fled that awful place. Things are much better now, I will say that. My horror stories are years ago, I simply don’t go to Church anymore. It’s too traumatic.
 
pathia said:
No, I went alone, my partner is not Christian.
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I see.

I have sympathy for you, I really do. I am sorry you have had such a terrible time.

Is showing up at Church dressed as a woman really appropriate? (I know that you are transgendered and have not had the surgery).

Here is the issue: God created you a man, and God doesn’t make mistakes. What does it say about your view of God’s creative hand if you show up at Church dressed as what you are not?

I know there are a thousand ways for you to take offense at what I just said. However, I ask you to think about it.

I also ask you to start a new thread to discuss this, it outside the scope of the discussion at hand.
 
Pathia , I am so sorry that you were treated with such ill-mockery by the authorities and by the parishes you attempted to join. If we were in the same parish, I would gladly like you hold my children’s hands during prayer and even invite you to my uber cool house parties. I am glad that the hatred and ignorance has not turned you away from the Christian Faith and you still seek to find your place.
 
cathguy said:
I see.

I have sympathy for you, I really do. I am sorry you have had such a terrible time.

Is showing up at Church dressed as a woman really appropriate? (I know that you are transgendered and have not had the surgery).

Here is the issue: God created you a man, and God doesn’t make mistakes. What does it say about your view of God’s creative hand if you show up at Church dressed as what you are not?

I know there are a thousand ways for you to take offense at what I just said. However, I ask you to think about it.

I also ask you to start a new thread to discuss this, it outside the scope of the discussion at hand.
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pathia, this is why I recommended you leave this site and go far far away for a while. Clearly, with the exception of only a few, you’re only going to get harassing questions and hateful remarks. I’m getting angry enough now where I think I’ll have to stop posting myself.

I feel awful for you but feel so helpless to defend you on an internet forum.
 
DelicateMelody said:
Pathia , I am so sorry that you were treated with such ill-mockery by the authorities and by the parishes you attempted to join. If we were in the same parish, I would gladly like you hold my children’s hands during prayer and even invite you to my uber cool house parties. I am glad that the hatred and ignorance has not turned you away from the Christian Faith and you still seek to find your place.
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DelicateMelody, please post more! This site needs more like you!
 
cathguy said:
I see.

I have sympathy for you, I really do. I am sorry you have had such a terrible time.

Is showing up at Church dressed as a woman really appropriate? (I know that you are transgendered and have not had the surgery).

Here is the issue: God created you a man, and God doesn’t make mistakes. What does it say about your view of God’s creative hand if you show up at Church dressed as what you are not?

I know there are a thousand ways for you to take offense at what I just said. However, I ask you to think about it.

I also ask you to start a new thread to discuss this, it outside the scope of the discussion at hand.
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Pathia says time and time again on this very website that she is intersexed - God did not create her specifically male or female. The church has stated no teaching on transgender and intersex issues.
 
cathguy said:
I see.

I have sympathy for you, I really do. I am sorry you have had such a terrible time.

Is showing up at Church dressed as a woman really appropriate? (I know that you are transgendered and have not had the surgery).

Here is the issue: God created you a man, and God doesn’t make mistakes. What does it say about your view of God’s creative hand if you show up at Church dressed as what you are not?

I know there are a thousand ways for you to take offense at what I just said. However, I ask you to think about it.

I also ask you to start a new thread to discuss this, it outside the scope of the discussion at hand.
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No, he did not make me a man. He saw fit to see me born ambiguous. You are stating things that are untrue, please stop. I am what is known as intersex. There are already many threads about my history and my medical problems.

My chromosomes are XX, XXY and XY.

Is that male? I had mixed gonadal tissue when I was born. Is that male? I don’t have a prostate. Is that male? I had a part formed uterus. Is that male?

I certainly don’t think so.
 
cathguy said:
I agree with a previous poster that this topic is outside the scope of the argument at hand, which is about whether or not the state should sanction marriage.

Perhaps you should start a new thread for this topic?

Just a thought.

I have a couple of thoughts based on your post. Let me ask a couple of questions (you can address these in your new thread if you like!) 🙂

If the texts of scripture are well-disputed, and you do not ascribe to them, how do you know what God and Jesus love or do not love, or even if they exist? It seems the basis for any belief is thrown aside here. I could just as easily conclude that God condones polygamy if I was able to trow out all relavation and tradition. Just because there may be nice polygamists, does that mean that the state, or the Church (I think we need a new thread about this) should “recognize” such relationships?
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Pleaaaaaaase don’t invite them to start another
thread on homosexuality or gay marriage.
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cathguy said:
I see.

I have sympathy for you, I really do. I am sorry you have had such a terrible time.

Is showing up at Church dressed as a woman really appropriate? (I know that you are transgendered and have not had the surgery).

Here is the issue: God created you a man, and God doesn’t make mistakes. What does it say about your view of God’s creative hand if you show up at Church dressed as what you are not?

I know there are a thousand ways for you to take offense at what I just said. However, I ask you to think about it.

I also ask you to start a new thread to discuss this, it outside the scope of the discussion at hand.
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I believe that your statement comes across highly uneducated and mistaken. To hint that her desire to express herself as a female would mock/insult/anger God is very arguable and ignorant.
It’s possibly comparable to telling anyone born with a hindrance, or disability that they aren’t allowed to change the exact blueprint that God sent them down from heaven with.
For example, because a child is born deaf, they are not allowed to under-go surgery to correct the disability, and sit in church to hear the Word of God. Transgendered children and adults have a difficult time accepting themselves. Perhaps, one should read about the science and biology behind them, before suggesting that it’s inappropriate.
 
DelicateMelody said:
I believe that your statement comes across highly uneducated and mistaken. To hint that her desire to express herself as a female would mock/insult/anger God is very arguable and ignorant.
It’s possibly comparable to telling anyone born with a hindrance, or disability that they aren’t allowed to change the exact blueprint that God sent them down from heaven with.
For example, because a child is born deaf, they are not allowed to under-go surgery to correct the disability, and sit in church to hear the Word of God. Transgendered children and adults have a difficult time accepting themselves. Perhaps, one should read about the science and biology behind them, before suggesting that it’s inappropriate.
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You are such a refreshing drop of cool water in a barren desert.
 
v3orb said:
Pathia says time and time again on this very website that she is intersexed - God did not create her specifically male or female. The church has stated no teaching on transgender and intersex issues.
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Ah… I SEE.

However, you should know that one of the weaknesses of this mode of conversation is that you will get new people in the discussion, and you need to bring them up to speed.

You can’t simply say “I have said time and time again” because many people haven’t read.

I apologize for my error.

I think Portia, that you need the help of a qualified, highly sensitive, and solidly Catholic health care / psychological care professional who will carefully and methodically help you out.

God created you to be who you are… and unfortunately your cross is heavy. Discerning these gender issues requires the sort of help an internet chat-room can never provide.

I do not think an internet chat room is a good place to seek fellowship on this. The issue is too complex, and you are opening yourself up to misunderstanding and attack. You may even be encouraging it.

I am done dialoging here. Please feel free to start a new thread in this discussion.

I recommend 1) Prayer, and 2) Competent and sensitive (and orthodox) professional care.

Warmest Regards.
 
cathguy said:
I think Pathia, that you need the help of a qualified, highly sensitive, and solidly Catholic health care / psychological care professional who will carefully and methodically help you out.

I recommend 1) Prayer, and 2) Competent and sensitive (and orthodox) professional care.

Warmest Regards.
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I have been in therapy since the age of 8. More therapy by a religious therapist is not going to help. I am currently in therapy for my therapy as a child, because it led to repeated suicide attempts and horrible trauma.

I had many friends in therapy at the time, several of which who committed suicide while I was there at the ‘camp’ we were a part of. I actually was the one that discovered one of my friends bodies, when I was ten.

This eventually led me to leaving home early, and living off of the street, which is why I had so many horrible incidents.

Being homeless is bad enough, but being homeless, transsexual in an area where everyone knows what you are, and everyone thinks you’re a walking demon?
 
cathguy said:
Ah… I SEE.

However, you should know that one of the weaknesses of this mode of conversation is that you will get new people in the discussion, and you need to bring them up to speed.

You can’t simply say “I have said time and time again” because many people haven’t read.

I apologize for my error.

I think Portia, that you need the help of a qualified, highly sensitive, and solidly Catholic health care / psychological care professional who will carefully and methodically help you out.

God created you to be who you are… and unfortunately your cross is heavy. Discerning these gender issues requires the sort of help an internet chat-room can never provide.

I do not think an internet chat room is a good place to seek fellowship on this. The issue is too complex, and you are opening yourself up to misunderstanding and attack. You may even be encouraging it.

I am done dialoging here. Please feel free to start a new thread in this discussion.

I recommend 1) Prayer, and 2) Competent and sensitive (and orthodox) professional care.

Warmest Regards.
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pathia has encouraged no such thing. Don’t blame the victim for your attack. You, sir, are responsible for your own actions.
 
thewalrus said:
pathia has encouraged no such thing. Don’t blame the victim for your attack. You, sir, are responsible for your own actions.
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He apologized, it’s not his fault. There are thousands upon thousands of posts on this board. There’s no way he could have found all the ones that detailed my story. I had a ton of them wiped after all.
 
pathia said:
I have been in therapy since the age of 8. More therapy by a religious therapist is not going to help. I am currently in therapy for my therapy as a child, because it led to repeated suicide attempts and horrible trauma.

I had many friends in therapy at the time, several of which who committed suicide while I was there at the ‘camp’ we were a part of. I actually was the one that discovered one of my friends bodies, when I was ten.

This eventually led me to leaving home early, and living off of the street, which is why I had so many horrible incidents.

Being homless is bad enough, but being homeless, transsexual in an area where everyone knows what you are, and everyone thinks you’re a walking demon?
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Why on earth does your profile say you’re unemployeed? You should be writing a book!
 
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