Just a little reminder -
The title of this subforum is “Social Justice” not "Religious Justice’, whether or not the interpretations of justice are Catholic, Christian, or any other sort - we are all members of society. And the rather poor representation of that much-vaunted charitable virtue and aspiration of Catholics in this thread is most dismaying.
You can not ask people of religious faith or even secular conviction to divorce themselves from their beliefs when it comes to proponing what they believe to be the best for society. If that is the case then you are saying that a secular society should be preferred and indeed, be the ideal. That is not the experience of history with respect to the development of society and what people deem to be appropriate and acceptable - even tolerated.
It is the struggle between worldviews and beliefs that hopefully grinds out the impurities in the crucible of debate and creates a society that is acceptable and agreeable to all - not just one that is preferred.
Same-sex unions are demonstrably antithetical to the growth of a society. You may disagree, but nature has shown us that a mother and a father are preferrable and indeed, necessary for optimal societal development, at least among higher mamals and certainly primates, of which man is a member. The safety and rearing of children is the reason society has made the rules for marriage that it has and the drive to establish same-sex unions as being on par with traditional marriage is a political rub that has nothing to do with what is best for siciety, but rather what is best for the individual - and that is COMPLETELY against what ia society is. Society is for the GROUP - not the INDIVIDUAL. Individuals’ rights are protected in a society as is evident with civil union laws and their development. But to say that equating gay and traditional marriage is a benefit for SOCIETY? Prove it. Is it a benefit for the individual? Of course, but that is not what society is interested in as its main goal. When we elect to engage in societal behavior and come to form our bases on which it is built (as when we cam out of the caves and onto the farms and towns) we give up a bit of ourselves to promote the greater good.
In a nutshell, and without trying to sound too uncharitable, same-0sex “marriage” is nothing but a vanity and selfishness that individuals wish to engage in because they value themselves more than those with whom they enter into the social contract.
As a husband, my wife comes first. As a father my children come fiorst, As a citizen my country comes first. As a Catholic, my faith comes first. In all of these relationships, I am ready to give of myself to such a degree that I deny myself what is always best for me to give what is best for the other. I know that gays and lesbians also are patriotic and loving and will do the same for loved ones, but their role in life is a different calling than that of a straight person. It is this inability to recognize that their desires are not the problem with relation to sin, but rather their actions which make the sin actual in their lives that trips up those who would promote same-sex “marriage”. If you read the Bible and listen to God’s Word and do nto think that homosexuality is a sin, then there is no commom ground upon which to debate the issue. If your intent is to argue the politics and philosophy of same-sex “marriage” without any religious perspective, then you have come to the wrong website.
What you have presented is a red herring and is essentially a disingenuous position designed to castigate those who WOULD use their faith to bolster their position.
I believe that this thread has pretty much run its course because of these fallacies and that there is not much to be revealed based on the limiting scope of the Original Poster’s statements.
