Should the United States go to war with Iran?

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Anti-Zionism is not antisemitism. Many Jews don’t understand or see what Zionists are doing. Do you believe that wolves can come in sheep’s clothing? By pretending to be Jews these people can just smear others who reveal the agenda by screaming “antisemite”.
 
It’s a fine line, that’s for sure. A nuclear unstable Mid East is the LAST THING this world needs.
 
Its at times like this that i really MISS the USSR:cool: Before throwing rocks at me, let me explain.

With the USSR, we could easily identify our enemy. They build weapons-we build weapons. They threaten-we counter threaten. A huge chess game. We take each others pawns and other pieces, but in the end we are both left with only the Kings. King cannot take King hence STALEMATE! (very simplistic argument, but I am a better speaker then writter:o)

The bigger reason is, the USSR was atheist and fighting for world domination,our enemies in the middle east are fighting for a religious belief and as such, are fighting for their version of heaven. Their (and our) earthly death matter not as their goal is to make happy their god and kill all NON believers (just watch the news to see how many Christians are killed or (name removed by moderator)risoned and their homes destroyed). A battlefield death would be an honor.

Is Iran a danger to world peace? ABSOLUTLY…but so is North Korea and China

I abhor the U.N.and find that organization to be almost as dangerous as the above stated countries, but that being said,let THEM make the first move! If and WHEN they fail, then we will have no other choice but to enter the battle, but we should never NEVER EVER let another 9/11 happen again though, and if it means striking First, then so be it.

In a perfect senario though, they would contain the fighting to their own soil and not involve the rest of the world…sadly, world events show otherwise.:mad:
 
MaryandJoseph said:
Its at times like this that i really MISS the USSR:cool: Before throwing rocks at me, let me explain.

With the USSR, we could easily identify our enemy. They build weapons-we build weapons. They threaten-we counter threaten. A huge chess game. We take each others pawns and other pieces, but in the end we are both left with only the Kings. King cannot take King hence STALEMATE! (very simplistic argument, but I am a better speaker then writter:o)

The bigger reason is, the USSR was atheist and fighting for world domination,our enemies in the middle east are fighting for a religious belief and as such, are fighting for their version of heaven. Their (and our) earthly death matter not as their goal is to make happy their god and kill all NON believers (just watch the news to see how many Christians are killed or (name removed by moderator)risoned and their homes destroyed). A battlefield death would be an honor.

Is Iran a danger to world peace? ABSOLUTLY…but so is North Korea and China

I abhor the U.N.and find that organization to be almost as dangerous as the above stated countries, but that being said,let THEM make the first move! If and WHEN they fail, then we will have no other choice but to enter the battle, but we should never NEVER EVER let another 9/11 happen again though, and if it means striking First, then so be it.

In a perfect senario though, they would contain the fighting to their own soil and not involve the rest of the world…sadly, world events show otherwise.:mad:
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I think Iran is more of a threat than North Korea and China combined because of Irans hatred of the Jewish people along with their discontent for the Jewish state.

…although, I do believe that the UN is an organization bent on spreading political dominance on a global scale -even though they portray themselves as a group who wants to preserve “cultural diversity”… They seem to want to create a dividing line between ‘culture’ and ‘politics’. That’s how I see it anyways… 🤷
 
It is true that Iran is a danger to the entire world and action should be taken, the question is though, should WE take the action first or let them make the first move or wait for the U.N. to issue another “resolution” and sanctions:rolleyes:

As much I do not like nor trust the current administration, I can’t believe in my heart that even HE would be stupid enough to engage in a nuclear “shooting match”. Iran, on the other hand is ruled by a crazy man who I believe is very well capable and quite willing to go nuclear.:mad: If Iran is allowed to continue with their goals, the entire world is in mortal danger.

IF we strike first though, we damn well better make sure we have evidence (and way better intel then President Bush had).

I know this though, if we wait on the U.N. to solve this issue, my grandchildren will be grandparents.(extreme hyperbole to make a point)
 
Risk is not always easy to assess.

My opinion is that dangerous and unstable forces need to be contained as best we can, and that there are many different possible strategies.

I also suspect that no state power will use a nuclear weapon against another state, for a very simple reason. It is quite easy to determine the origin of the weapon from the unique signature of the fissile material from the blast residue. In other words, there is a fingerprint which identifies the source. This is a deterrent, for fear of retaliation.

Even though this fact reduces the odds substantially, we still need to take every threat seriously, and protect ourselves and our interests.
 
That’s not our call since we don’t know what the military or intelligence community knows. It’s just not a question worth asking. During Irag War 1 and 2, I only got the news AFTER the attacks began. The Pentagon didn’t call me to get my take. And that’s the way it’s going to be with this.

There are numerous scenarios regarding potential military actions against Iran and all of them rely on certain trigger events. Once Iran acts on a trigger, we pull our trigger and the shooting/bombing starts. Simple.

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
That’s not our call since we don’t know what the military or intelligence community knows. It’s just not a question worth asking. During Irag War 1 and 2, I only got the news AFTER the attacks began. The Pentagon didn’t call me to get my take. And that’s the way it’s going to be with this.

There are numerous scenarios regarding potential military actions against Iran and all of them rely on certain trigger events. Once Iran acts on a trigger, we pull our trigger and the shooting/bombing starts. Simple.

Peace,
Ed
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Well there’s always the question of whether its morally sound or not. But I know there’s not really anything you or I can do about it.
 
InJesusItrust said:
Anti-Zionism is not antisemitism. Many Jews don’t understand or see what Zionists are doing. Do you believe that wolves can come in sheep’s clothing? By pretending to be Jews these people can just smear others who reveal the agenda by screaming “antisemite”.
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What do you mean by ‘Zionist’, if not Jewish? Am I a ‘Zionist’ because I am pro-Isreal and think the Jews as our Elder Brothers in Faith? :confused::o This is one non-Jew who does not see or understand what so-called ‘Zionists’ are doing. 🤷
 
No. If the rest of the world thinks there’s a problem, then they can figure out how to fight a war w/Iran. I’m sick of men and women in my generation and younger being used as cannon fodder in wars.

My brother has already been to Iraq and Afghanistan and I do not want to see him in another war zone. Enough is enough.

If India and Pakistan can figure out how to keep the peace, despite their nuclear arsenals, then I’m not convinced that Iran having the bomb is really as dangerous as our political elites would lead us to believe.

What does the US gain by instigating a war with Iran? It’s more about having a crisis so the American people are more willing to give up even more of their liberty so that the elite class can ‘take care of us’. Iran is just a means to an end.

Legislation like the Patriot Act isn’t written overnight, yet it was passed by the Congress less than a week after 9-11. I’m willing to be that most people still don’t know what was in it. Just like most people don’t know what was in ObamaCare and like most people don’t know what was in the NDAA.

Given recent history, I’m skeptical. Real skeptical.

Especially when Obama is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize just for being elected president. A war w/Iran isn’t acting peacefully. :eek:
 
Kal2012 said:
No. If the rest of the world thinks there’s a problem, then they can figure out how to fight a war w/Iran. I’m sick of men and women in my generation and younger being used as cannon fodder in wars.

My brother has already been to Iraq and Afghanistan and I do not want to see him in another war zone. Enough is enough.

If India and Pakistan can figure out how to keep the peace, despite their nuclear arsenals, then I’m not convinced that Iran having the bomb is really as dangerous as our political elites would lead us to believe.

What does the US gain by instigating a war with Iran? It’s more about having a crisis so the American people are more willing to give up even more of their liberty so that the elite class can ‘take care of us’. Iran is just a means to an end.

Legislation like the Patriot Act isn’t written overnight, yet it was passed by the Congress less than a week after 9-11. I’m willing to be that most people still don’t know what was in it. Just like most people don’t know what was in ObamaCare and like most people don’t know what was in the NDAA.

Given recent history, I’m skeptical. Real skeptical.

Especially when Obama is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize just for being elected president. A war w/Iran isn’t acting peacefully. :eek:
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In what year did your brother volunteer? Prior to 9-11, or after?
 
tabycat said:
What do you mean by ‘Zionist’, if not Jewish? Am I a ‘Zionist’ because I am pro-Isreal and think the Jews as our Elder Brothers in Faith? :confused::o This is one non-Jew who does not see or understand what so-called ‘Zionists’ are doing. 🤷
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I mean the ideology that Jews need to rule the world before God can create the messianic kingdom. The kabbalic ideology that gentiles are lower forces holding the world behind.
 
Because Zionists DO indeed control western finances and media. Any time any public figure points this out they are called anti-semetic and made jobless. Everyone thinks that it was solely racism why Jews were a hated people throughout history.

I did not say ALL Jews are bad, did I? How can I be called anti-semetic then? The unknowing Jews are being taken for a ride and they suffer innocently whenever non-Jews realize what is happening.
 
InJesusItrust said:
Anti-Zionism is not antisemitism. Many Jews don’t understand or see what Zionists are doing. Do you believe that wolves can come in sheep’s clothing? By pretending to be Jews these people can just smear others who reveal the agenda by screaming “antisemite”.
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Are you actually saying that Jews can’t be Zionists?
 
InJesusItrust said:
I mean the ideology that Jews need to rule the world before God can create the messianic kingdom.
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There’s no such ideology in Judaism.

You really should get your information about Judaism from sources other than en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion
The kabbalic ideology that gentiles are lower forces holding the world behind.
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Wow. I never heard of that one either. I’m learning so much here.

See- I was always taught that from a Jewish theological perspective, we don’t believe that one must be Jewish in order to be a good, holy, saintly person- with a share in the world-to-come. And that conversely, we believe that one can be Jewish and be evil.

Did I miss a lesson somewhere?
 
InJesusItrust said:
Because Zionists DO indeed control western finances and media.
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Great! I’m a Zionist. Now how do I get my cut?
Any time any public figure points this out they are called anti-semetic and made jobless.
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Or maybe the electorate simply realizes that people like that don’t represent them or their views.
Everyone thinks that it was solely racism why Jews were a hated people throughout history.
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I don’t, and I don’t know of anyone who does.
The unknowing Jews are being taken for a ride and they suffer innocently whenever non-Jews realize what is happening.
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Who is driving?
 
In general, I don’t know ANYBODY who wants to go to war wih Iran- and I’m an Israeli. In fact, I’m one of those “religious West Bank settlers”.

I have yet to meet a person anywhere who wouldn’t prefer a peaceful resolution with Iran.
 
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