Should the US trade with China?

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We don’t trade with Cuba who has a lousy human rights record but we do trade with China whose record is no better and perhaps is worse. Why do you believe we should or should not trade with China and if we trade with China should we lift our trade sanctions against Cuba? I believe we should stop trading with China but if we are going to continue then lets trade with Cuba also. China is certainly more of a threat to our security than Cuba.
 
  1. We should not end trade with China. We do not need an isolated (to us) China.
  2. Perhaps we should trade with Cuba. They are no longer the USSR’s agent in the Americas. Fidel cannot last too much longer and I think trade (especially travel) can encourage and help those wishing freedom in Cuba.
 
The biggest reason we don’t embargo China while we embargo Cuba is because China is such a huge market for American goods, particularly Boeing jets.

Personally, I think it is time to lift the embargo on Cuba. I really think the United States’ positive example will be a bigger influence than the negatives of an embargo.
 
I think using tariffs and such things to encourage China to curb human rights offenses is okay. But a pure embargo would be a bad idea, I think.
 
I had hoped to get more discussion on this but it seems that the consensus is keep trading with China and lift the embargo on Cuba. I think that would be a good idea and agree that our trade would have more of a positive impact on Cubans than the embargo has. Does anyone think GWB will change our policy or after 45 years are we too stuborn to change and will wait for Castro to die?
 
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Lance:
I had hoped to get more discussion on this but it seems that the consensus is keep trading with China and lift the embargo on Cuba. I think that would be a good idea and agree that our trade would have more of a positive impact on Cubans than the embargo has. Does anyone think GWB will change our policy or after 45 years are we too stuborn to change and will wait for Castro to die?
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I don’t think that GWB has anything invested in the embargo to be stuborn about it.
I am not sure about the following. I feel like I have heard that there is a significant voting block in FL that would be very angered by lifting the embargo. This might prevent W from lifting the embargo.

Peace,
Jim
 
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Lance:
I had hoped to get more discussion on this but it seems that the consensus is keep trading with China and lift the embargo on Cuba. I think that would be a good idea and agree that our trade would have more of a positive impact on Cubans than the embargo has. Does anyone think GWB will change our policy or after 45 years are we too stuborn to change and will wait for Castro to die?
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JamesD:
I don’t think that GWB has anything invested in the embargo to be stuborn about it.
I am not sure about the following. I feel like I have heard that there is a significant voting block in FL that would be very angered by lifting the embargo. This might prevent W from lifting the embargo.

Peace,
Jim
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You are right that there is a large Cuban community in Florida and they mostly vote Republican(so I am told), so I can see why Bush did not want to alienate them before the election but now he is not running again and in 4 years they will have gotten over it. Now is the time to begin trading with Cuba if we are going to continue trading with China and Russia.
 
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Lance:
You are right that there is a large Cuban community in Florida and they mostly vote Republican(so I am told), so I can see why Bush did not want to alienate them before the election but now he is not running again and in 4 years they will have gotten over it. Now is the time to begin trading with Cuba if we are going to continue trading with China and Russia.
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I hope they vote republican after Janet Reno (The worst AG in history) had gunmen run in and take Elio by force after his mom died trying to get him here.

I think we are too soft on China. Letting there human rights record slip through the cracks because money takes priority seems wrong.
 
That would be a big fat NO…unless we ended the Cuban embargo…until then…this Govt is guilty of hypocrisy everytime they open their mouths up about “freedom and liberty”
 
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That would be a big fat NO…unless we ended the Cuban embargo…until then…this Govt is guilty of hypocrisy everytime they open their mouths up about “freedom and liberty”
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When it comes to China I’m afraid I agree with you. I suppose it’s a matter of time before the world hands over Taiwan to beijing…
 
The Cuban embargo seems foolish now that the USSR has collapsed.

Trade with China should have stiff penalties until they allow their currency to float. According to Lindsay Graham and a democratic congressman from NY whose name I did not catch, American manufacturers say they can compete with the differential in labor rates due to our higher productivity but that the Chinese currency is fixed at an artificially low exchange rate (about 27% under market) which is too much to overcome. This opinion is from a purely economic standpoint. The human rights abuses add even more reasons to restrict trade until China straightens some things out.
 
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The Cuban embargo seems foolish now that the USSR has collapsed.

Trade with China should have stiff penalties until they allow their currency to float. According to Lindsay Graham and a democratic congressman from NY whose name I did not catch, American manufacturers say they can compete with the differential in labor rates due to our higher productivity but that the Chinese currency is fixed at an artificially low exchange rate (about 27% under market) which is too much to overcome. This opinion is from a purely economic standpoint. The human rights abuses add even more reasons to restrict trade until China straightens some things out.
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My company is owned by the Japanese, they also have a plant in China and we can compete with them because of our high productivity and quality. When they first open the China plant it was a year before they could produce a product that could be sold outside of China, the quality was so bad. We knock the American education system but the average American factory worker is much better educated and able to learn than your typical Chinese peasant, or that was our experience.
 
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