Should there be a new political party based on Catholic Social Doctrine and Pro-Life Doctrine?

[Elizabeth502]

It’s not enough.

We have RECREATIONAL FOOD.

Define Recreational Food. Snacks? Junk food? A second helping? Is everything more than bare subsistence “recreational?” Is tasty or “gourmet” food “recreational?” Should we all adopt the ascetism of monks, based on your demands in capital letters?

Just keep in mind, before you answer, that the culinary industry in this country (a) provides jobs for hundreds of thousands of Americans, as well as impoverished illegal immigrants, (b) contributes to social causes such as poverty-reduction in the U.S., (c) often supports local sustainable farms, (d) often engages in fair-trade commerce; (e) directly contributes untouched leftovers to the local hungry & homeless, (f) provides a general social service by instructing the everyday cook/consumer in how to eat frugally and responsibly, (g) often participates in global initiatives to reduce/eradicate hunger.

 

[jeannetherese]

It seems to me that the pro-life internet sites and the picture posted showing the yong child being watched by the bird of prey (post 84) both offer the possibility of consciousness raising which may, in turn, lead many more people to stand up to the culture of death.
While I try to use my votes to support life issues, share with others, and support charitable organizations, my resources are scanty. I think that the internet can serve as a wonderful opportunity for education and conversion, and that the money spent to help people open their hearts to the possibilities of life is money well spent.
I know that such sites may not immediately halt abortion, or bring nutritional formula to starving infants, but I hope that as more people are converted, many hands will join to help in this work and we may see far more good come from this effort than from the meager support that I as an individual can provide.

 

[St_Francis]

It’s not enough.

We have RECREATIONAL FOOD.

If this issue got half the attention abortion did, all the money wasted making every random “pro-life” Internet site owner rich would be going to stop this terrible suffering and death.

Do more. You. Personally. DO SOMETHING.

I was not asking those questions to be mean or something; I was asking for a clarification of his points so that others could respond. Since this is a thread about the political situation in the US, I was just confused about where his comments were going.

BTW, do you have any evidence that pro-life website owners are getting rich?

 

[jeannetherese]

I wonder if we might get into this issue from a slightly different angle-by considering who holds positons which represent both the pro-life Catholic social justice teachings and some of the other social justice teachings discussed on this thread. According to Catholic Answers Action, their booklet, Voters Guide for Serious Catholics
" gives clear and concise official Church statements on five issues that do have moral implications:
Abortion
Euthanasia
Embryonic stem-cell research
Human cloning
and homosexual “marriage”
These issues are “non-negotiable” when it comes to their moral standing—and Catholics must not compromise on these issues."

Are there any politicians or statespeople that you can think of who uphold Catholic social justice teachings in these areas AND in relation to some of the other issues debated in this thread? Who comes to mind, and for what reasons?

 

[TheRealJuliane]

It’s not enough.

We have RECREATIONAL FOOD.

If this issue got half the attention abortion did, all the money wasted making every random “pro-life” Internet site owner rich would be going to stop this terrible suffering and death.

Do more. You. Personally. DO SOMETHING.

What are you doing? Are you doing more? Don’t yell, and tell us that what we do or don’t do isn’t enough.

So you think pro-lifers should also work to eradicate hunger in the world? Every person picks their mission. Obviously abortion isn’t yours. Leave the rest of us alone to work for the unborn.

 

[Mickey_Finn]

While it is true. That we have many things that would. amaze someone from the Middle Ages. I would say two main things. One, the technology, which I think. Time travelers from the past, could figure out. Quickly. But the other, the depravity of the people. The loss of Faith. The loss of morality. The loss of dignity of human life. These would hurt those people’s hearts, I think.

Returning to their ways would be. difficult, true. But why? Is that a good thing? Or a bad thing?

Did I fault the bureaucrats? I only mentioned that they are not monks and nuns caring for people. I mentioned that the bureaucrats are overworked, that they are paid a wage commensurate with their state in life, that of a lay person. This is more expensive than maintaining a religious, who has vowed poverty, no?

I don’t think they would grasp the technology of the internet, or computer software. Remember, most were not literate. The depravity, etc. you mention would be the thing they would recognize from their own time.
But, the point is really this. Relying on casual giving, will not fit the needs of our present society.

It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t give. Just, that it’s not enough on it’s own.

ATB

 

[jeannetherese]

Hi Mickey,
in regard to your comment:
“But, the point is really this. Relying on casual giving, will not fit the needs of our present society.”
Would you mind expanding a bit on this? I’m wondering if you think the problem is -our fallen nature, a lack of empathy/awareness/catechesis or some combination of those, a structural political or economic issue, something in the culture?
Do you see the problem as correctable or as a fact of life that we are going to have to deal with?
I appreciate any insights you might be willing to share.
May God bless us all!
jeannetherese

 

[St_Francis]

I don’t think they would grasp the technology of the internet, or computer software. Remember, most were not literate. The depravity, etc. you mention would be the thing they would recognize from their own time.

Altho each individual may not have been able to read and write, they did understand the concept.

And while they were quite likely aware of sin in their own time, I think the depths to which our society has fallen would shock and sadden them.

But, the point is really this. Relying on casual giving, will not fit the needs of our present society.

It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t give. Just, that it’s not enough on it’s own.

ATB

Did I say “casual giving” would suffice?

 

[Ender]

The topic of this thread is neither third world hunger nor abortion but whether the concept of a Catholic political party is reasonable. If we don’t stick to the topic one of the administrator’s will likely close the thread.

Ender

 

[Filii_Dei]

The topic of this thread is neither third world hunger nor abortion but whether the concept of a Catholic political party is reasonable. If we don’t stick to the topic one of the administrator’s will likely close the thread.

Ender

I wouldn’t say we’re straying very far. After all, the OP after all does premise the creation of this Catholic political party upon the Catholic doctrines of social justice and protection of life. However, people are questioning the necessity and nature of the above teachings in creating such a party, hence the debate.

Of course, I would prefer that we were to discuss other aspects of creating such a political party, but I’m not sure if we’re entirely off-track.

 

[ACCT]

I wouldn’t say we’re straying very far. After all, the OP after all does premise the creation of this Catholic political party upon the Catholic doctrines of social justice and protection of life. However, people are questioning the necessity and nature of the above teachings in creating such a party, hence the debate.

Of course, I would prefer that we were to discuss other aspects of creating such a political party, but I’m not sure if we’re entirely off-track.

We need a third party! I belong to the Constitution Party. The Constitution Party is against abortion and supports the same free market as the founding fathers. (The role of government is an umpire, not your partner!)

 

[Robert_Bay]

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