Should this have been allowed?

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Saturday at the Easter Vigil one of the candidates being confirmed was asked to read one of the readings from the Old Testament…she did a great job but I was wondering if this was allowed?? I wouldn’t think it would be but I wasn’t sure. It just kind of shocked me when she got up to read.
 
I’m not 100% sure if it’s allowed or not. Maybe there was a
shortage of available Lectors. Sometimes I’m pressed into service
either as a Lector or EM at the last minute.
In my insistance, before I got confirmed as a young adult to complete my sacramental initiation. (I was baptized as an infant
and received my 1st Communion at age 7) I became a
commissioned Lector. However, when I joined the RCIA program I had to stop. Because I wasn’t a full member. Also if one
is performing a liturgical function during a Confirmation and/or
coming into the church on Easter Vigil it would distract them
from enjoying their moment. They wouldn’t be fully focused. As
an example in my parish we tell the candidates for Confirmation
not to be Ushers/Greeters, Lectors, Altar servers or Choir mem-
bers at their Confirmation. This is a once in a lifetime event. Enjoy
it and participate fully. :extrahappy:
 
If an instituted lector was present, then she should not have done the reading.

From the 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) approved for the USA, which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :
“99. The lector is instituted to proclaim the readings from Sacred Scripture, with the exception of the Gospel. …
101. In the absence of an instituted lector, other laypersons may be commissioned to proclaim the readings from Sacred Scripture.”

It is debateable whether someone not baptised is included in this “other laypersons” category. The parish priest decides who does the reading, if an instituted lector is not present (see GIRM 107).

Generally, I think, someone not baptised should not do a reading. I base this on the description of a Celebration of the Word of God in the RCIA book. “87 Readings: One or more readings from Scripture, chosen for their relevance to the formation of the catechumens, are proclaimed by a baptised member of the community.” (see the RCIA introductions for England and Wales are at catholic-ew.org.uk/liturgy/Resources/Rites/RiteRitual.html#RCIA .)

If the person was already baptised as a Catholic, but just being confirmed, I would not object to their selection.

If the person was becoming a Catholic at that Mass, then I think the bishop’s permission is needed for them to read. From the Directory on Ecumenism at vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_25031993_principles-and-norms-on-ecumenism_en.html :
“133. The reading of Scripture during a Eucharistic celebration in the Catholic Church is to be done by members of that Church. On exceptional occasions and for a just cause, the Bishop of the diocese may permit a member of another Church or ecclesial Community to take on the task of reader.”
 
John,
Thank you for your information and research. Now, I know as
well.
 
Yes, thank you. There were other lectors present so that makes me think they only had her read because she was coming into the Church. This is the first time I remember this happening. Thanks for all your (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
Unfortunately, Holy Week is the time when many priests decide to get creative. As well-meaning as this gesture may have been, it is not appropriate. Couples getting married do not read at their own Nuptial Masses. The recipient of the sacrament should remain focused on what is about to happen. The person is already nervous and anxious enough as it is without having something else to do.
 
Yes, thank you. There were other lectors present so that makes me think they only had her read because she was coming into the Church. This is the first time I remember this happening. Thanks for all your (name removed by moderator)ut.
I really doubt there were any Instituted Lectors present. That is given only to men, and, in most diocese, only to men studying towards Holy Orders.

Laypeople who regularly read the Lessons fall under this
  1. In the absence of an instituted lector, other laypersons may be commissioned to proclaim the readings from Sacred Scripture."
If this person was Baptized, they they fall into the category mentioned above.

Based on your post, this person was being Confirmed only ( not Baptized and Confirmed), in which case, this is licit.
 
I really doubt there were any Instituted Lectors present. That is given only to men, and, in most diocese, only to men studying towards Holy Orders.

Laypeople who regularly read the Lessons fall under this

If this person was Baptized, they they fall into the category mentioned above.

Based on your post, this person was being Confirmed only ( not Baptized and Confirmed), in which case, this is licit.
Brendan, thanks for catching that one. However, my secondary question would be: was this person baptized into a Protestant ecclesial community and was going to make a full profession of faith in the Church, or, was this person already baptized Catholic and was only completing the rest of the Sacraments of Initiation?

I don’t know for certain, but I would suspect that would make a difference. The reason I say this is because a deacon in charge of Pastoral Care services at one of our hospitals wanted his boss, the CEO, to proclaim one of the readings at the White Mass. The boss, though, is Baptist. When a friend of mine who also works at the hospital called to ask me (her boss was trying to get out of doing it–for other reasons), I told her that only Catholics could proclaim the reading. Boss was happy because he got off the hook.
 
Brendan, thanks for catching that one. However, my secondary question would be: was this person baptized into a Protestant ecclesial community and was going to make a full profession of faith in the Church, or, was this person already baptized Catholic and was only completing the rest of the Sacraments of Initiation?

I don’t know for certain, but I would suspect that would make a difference. The reason I say this is because a deacon in charge of Pastoral Care services at one of our hospitals wanted his boss, the CEO, to proclaim one of the readings at the White Mass. The boss, though, is Baptist. When a friend of mine who also works at the hospital called to ask me (her boss was trying to get out of doing it–for other reasons), I told her that only Catholics could proclaim the reading. Boss was happy because he got off the hook.
But the DIRECTORY FOR THE APPLICATION OF
PRINCIPLES AND NORMS ON ECUMENISM says that a non-Catholic MAY read with the bishop’s permission.
  1. The reading of Scripture during a Eucharistic celebration in the Catholic Church is to be done by members of that Church. On exceptional occasions and for a just cause, the Bishop of the diocese may permit a member of another Church or ecclesial Community to take on the task of reader.
 
But the DIRECTORY FOR THE APPLICATION OF
PRINCIPLES AND NORMS ON ECUMENISM says that a non-Catholic MAY read with the bishop’s permission.
Thanks, Phemie. The White Mass situation was not really a just cause, since there was a plethora of Catholic physicians and nurses who could have proclaimed the readings. Luckily, they wound up doing so.

I guess a “just cause” would perhaps cover extraordinary circumstances like funerals. Just a thought.
 
Brendan, thanks for catching that one. However, my secondary question would be: was this person baptized into a Protestant ecclesial community and was going to make a full profession of faith in the Church, or, was this person already baptized Catholic and was only completing the rest of the Sacraments of Initiation?
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This is where is gets a bit tricky.

There is one Baptism, a Catholic one. A person who, past the age of Reason, holds to Protestant doctrines is a heretic, either material or formal.

Once they renounce the herecies and recieve absolution, they are technically restored to communion with Christ and His Body, the Church.

For a person who was a Protestant but is seeking admission to the Church, that would have occured when they made a confession and recieved absolution.

What they are waiting for Easter Vigil for is the Sacramental Graces of Confirmation and the Eucharist.
 
But the DIRECTORY FOR THE APPLICATION OF
PRINCIPLES AND NORMS ON ECUMENISM says that a non-Catholic MAY read with the bishop’s permission.
If the episcopal see is vacant, may such permission be given by the diocesan administrator?
 
If the episcopal see is vacant, may such permission be given by the diocesan administrator?
A vacant episcopal see is run by an Apostolic Administrator, who is, generally, the bishop who vacated the post to accept another assignment. Several years ago, when we were a part of the Diocese of Corpus Christi, our bishop was appointed Archbishop for a Puerto Rican Archdiocese. Although he left to assume his new post, he was still the Apostolic Administrator of our diocese until such time when his successor was appointed and installed.
 
A vacant episcopal see is run by an Apostolic Administrator, who is, generally, the bishop who vacated the post to accept another assignment. Several years ago, when we were a part of the Diocese of Corpus Christi, our bishop was appointed Archbishop for a Puerto Rican Archdiocese. Although he left to assume his new post, he was still the Apostolic Administrator of our diocese until such time when his successor was appointed and installed.
I believe vacant episcopal sees are generally run by diocesan administrators. An apostolic administrator appears to be a bit unusual, and that exact term is only used twice in current canon law:
Canon 371 §2.
An apostolic administration is a certain portion of the people of God which is not erected as a diocese by the Supreme Pontiff due to special and particularly grave reasons and whose pastoral care is entrusted to an apostolic administrator who governs it in the name of the Supreme Pontiff.
Canon 1018
§1. The following can give dimissorial letters for secular clergy:
1/ the proper bishop mentioned in ⇒ can. 1016;
2/ an apostolic administrator and, with the consent of the college of consultors, a diocesan administrator; with the consent of the council mentioned in ⇒ can. 495, §2, an apostolic pro-vicar and an apostolic pro-prefect.
 
I believe vacant episcopal sees are generally run by diocesan administrators. An apostolic administrator appears to be a bit unusual, and that exact term is only used twice in current canon law:
However, before we start interpreting canon law on our own, the term apostolic administrator was used by our former diocese when the bishop became archbishop and was moved. He still retained administrative duties over his former diocese until the new bishop was approved and installed. In fact, he crossed the Gulf several times to oversee his old diocese. He still made decisions up until the new bishop came onboard.

When my PV became pastor of what is now our cathedral, he was still administrator of his old parish until the new pastor was appointed.
 
The term “apostolic administrator” does refer to canon 371 as cited in regard to an “apostolic administration,” which is not the same as a diocese. The apostolic administration is governed “vicariously,” that is in the name of the supreme pontiff. By contrast, a diocese is govered “properly,” that is, by the diocesan bishop himself.

However, term can also be applied in the case, for example, when a departing diocesan bishop is given special faculties by the Holy See, so that he can act beyond the normal competence of a diocesan administrator in light of the particular needs of that diocese. (In most places, the consultors will elect the outgoing diocesan bishop as the diocesan administrator out of respect and a desire for continuity.)

It might even be done by the Holy See when a priest is elected diocesan administrator by its consultors, but the needs of the diocese require a bishop (normally from an adjacent diocese or archdiocese) for the stable continuation of various functions of that diocese.
 
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