Should we be praying "Through him, with him, in him..." aloud with the priest?

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I know that we’re not supposed to pray Per Ipsum,(ref link) but I’ve noticed in few churches that priests asks people to join him in praying Per Ipsum. When I asked a priest, he said its not wrong and also went on saying that there are many regulations in church which is not necessary. I still do feel that only a priest can pray Per Ipsum. I’m definitely not accusing the priest.:D… Any thoughts on this?:ehh:
 
No.

That is a very ancient prayer of the Church in the liturgy, and the people provided the enthusiastic “Amen.”

Where would a priest draw the line? “this is my body” ?

The PRIEST is “the priest” (in persona Christi). If he needed “help” performing his job, then he wouldn’t be “the priest.”

Personally, I think this, as Pope Benedict XVI says, is an unnecessary distraction from the liturgy that the people shouldn’t have to deal with.

In simplest terms, it’s REQUIRED for the priest to say it, NOT required for the congregation to say it. If the congregation SAID it, then they WOULDN’T need to say “amen.” That would be redundant. “Amen” means “so be it.” So, why would they say it then say “so be it”?
 
psalm90 said:
No.

That is a very ancient prayer of the Church in the liturgy, and the people provided the enthusiastic “Amen.”

Where would a priest draw the line? “this is my body” ?

The PRIEST is “the priest” (in persona Christi). If he needed “help” performing his job, then he wouldn’t be “the priest.”

Personally, I think this, as Pope Benedict XVI says, is an unnecessary distraction from the liturgy that the people shouldn’t have to deal with.

In simplest terms, it’s REQUIRED for the priest to say it, NOT required for the congregation to say it.
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Thanks:thumbsup: I hope Pope Francis, circulates this info to all the churches so that they wont break it. 🙂
 
?? I didn’t know this was a widespread issue.

There is a document called the General Instruction on the Roman Missal. (GIRM)

I think it’s tedious to play games in the negative – “it doesn’t say NOT to say it” for example.

You could use that argument to insert “Drink Budweiser” in the Mass ten times. The Church could sell advertising space that way.
 
psalm90 said:
No.

That is a very ancient prayer of the Church in the liturgy, and the people provided the enthusiastic “Amen.”

Where would a priest draw the line? “this is my body” ?

The PRIEST is “the priest” (in persona Christi). If he needed “help” performing his job, then he wouldn’t be “the priest.”

Personally, I think this, as Pope Benedict XVI says, is an unnecessary distraction from the liturgy that the people shouldn’t have to deal with.

In simplest terms, it’s REQUIRED for the priest to say it, NOT required for the congregation to say it. If the congregation SAID it, then they WOULDN’T need to say “amen.” That would be redundant. “Amen” means “so be it.” So, why would they say it then say “so be it”?
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Correct.
 
psalm90 said:
?? I didn’t know this was a widespread issue.

There is a document called the General Instruction on the Roman Missal. (GIRM)

I think it’s tedious to play games in the negative – “it doesn’t say NOT to say it” for example.

You could use that argument to insert “Drink Budweiser” in the Mass ten times. The Church could sell advertising space that way.
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I feel this could be due to lack of education/seriousness. This has happened at least with 3 priest’s. BTW I’m from India.
Thanks for the info about GIRM. I do have it, will check and let a priest know about it. Thanks again.
 
psalm90 said:
No.
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In simplest terms, it’s REQUIRED for the priest to say it, NOT required for the congregation to say it. If the congregation SAID it, then they WOULDN’T need to say “amen.” That would be redundant. “Amen” means “so be it.” So, why would they say it then say “so be it”?
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Thanks i will have to keep this in mind for myself. But i can’t help myself sometimes it is such a powerful prayer. I follow along with the priest in my head with a sense of adoration at this truth
 
psalm90 said:
No.

That is a very ancient prayer of the Church in the liturgy, and the people provided the enthusiastic “Amen.”

Where would a priest draw the line? “this is my body” ?

The PRIEST is “the priest” (in persona Christi). If he needed “help” performing his job, then he wouldn’t be “the priest.”

Personally, I think this, as Pope Benedict XVI says, is an unnecessary distraction from the liturgy that the people shouldn’t have to deal with.

In simplest terms, it’s REQUIRED for the priest to say it, NOT required for the congregation to say it. If the congregation SAID it, then they WOULDN’T need to say “amen.” That would be redundant. “Amen” means “so be it.” So, why would they say it then say “so be it”?
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fbl9 said:
. I follow along with the priest in my head with a sense of adoration at this truth
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That is perfectly all right. There are several places in the mass - including this - where I am able to follow along with the priest’s words more closely - it helps me a lot. But I don’t say them out loud.
 
psalm90 said:
No.

That is a very ancient prayer of the Church in the liturgy, and the people provided the enthusiastic “Amen.”

Where would a priest draw the line? “this is my body” ?

The PRIEST is “the priest” (in persona Christi). If he needed “help” performing his job, then he wouldn’t be “the priest.”

Personally, I think this, as Pope Benedict XVI says, is an unnecessary distraction from the liturgy that the people shouldn’t have to deal with.

In simplest terms, it’s REQUIRED for the priest to say it, NOT required for the congregation to say it. If the congregation SAID it, then they WOULDN’T need to say “amen.” That would be redundant. “Amen” means “so be it.” So, why would they say it then say “so be it”?
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👍
 
psalm90 said:
No.

That is a very ancient prayer of the Church in the liturgy, and the people provided the enthusiastic “Amen.”

Where would a priest draw the line? “this is my body” ?

The PRIEST is “the priest” (in persona Christi). If he needed “help” performing his job, then he wouldn’t be “the priest.”

Personally, I think this, as Pope Benedict XVI says, is an unnecessary distraction from the liturgy that the people shouldn’t have to deal with.

In simplest terms, it’s REQUIRED for the priest to say it, NOT required for the congregation to say it. If the congregation SAID it, then they WOULDN’T need to say “amen.” That would be redundant. “Amen” means “so be it.” So, why would they say it then say “so be it”?
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Well, that’s not a very good argument. We say “Amen” after almost every prayer we say. Our Father, Hail Mary, Act of Contrition, etc. The best argument is that it’s not in the rubrics. It is for the priest to say, and there is no instruction for the congregation to say it.
 
I’ve never seen a Priest do this. I think the GIRM indicates that prayer is to be said by the Priest alone.
 
psalm90 said:
?? I didn’t know this was a widespread issue.

There is a document called the General Instruction on the Roman Missal. (GIRM)

I think it’s tedious to play games in the negative – “it doesn’t say NOT to say it” for example.

You could use that argument to insert “Drink Budweiser” in the Mass ten times. The Church could sell advertising space that way.
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It is done in several parishes where I’ve attended Mass. It was done in my present parish when I first came here 20 years ago. One priest I knew told his parshioners “I know it’s not supposed to be done but I don’t care.” No surprise that he’s now a laicized priest.
 
I spend half the year in Australia and half in the Philippines.

As usual the priest only says this prayer in the Philippines.

In Australia though since the Jesuits arrived at our parish we are all encouraged to say the prayer.

I refuse because I suspect it might be disobedience but I don’t make a big deal about it.

I only say the Amen at the end which is what we always used to do.
 
jackydarapper said:
I feel this is due to lack of education.
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I’ve never known the congregation to do this on their own. They do it because they’ve been told to by a priest. And it will stop when they are told to by a priest. That’s what happened back home. A visiting priest stopped dead when they started and said," I don’t know why you are doing this but this prayer belongs to the priest alone." That was the end of it…at least until the pastor returned.
 
jackydarapper said:
I know that we’re not supposed to pray Per Ipsum,(ref link) but I’ve noticed in few churches that priests asks people to join him in praying Per Ipsum. When I asked a priest, he said its not wrong and also went on saying that there are many regulations in church which is not necessary. I still do feel that only a priest can pray Per Ipsum. I’m definitely not accusing the priest.:D… Any thoughts on this?:ehh:
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I definitely would pray it aloud, as I already pray it silently. The popes for centuries now have wanted the laity to pray the Mass, not just hear the Mass. Here is a fine talk on the Mass by Father Riccardo: avemariaradio.net/audio-archive/christ-answer-february-15-2017/

He talks about how we should be praying along with the priest the prayers. Unfortunately you cannot skip ahead, but he addresses our praying the prayers around the 45 minute mark.
 
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