Should we be praying "Through him, with him, in him..." aloud with the priest?

[abucs]

I’ve never known the congregation to do this on their own. They do it because they’ve been told to by a priest. And it will stop when they are told to by a priest. That’s what happened back home. A visiting priest stopped dead when they started and said," I don’t know why you are doing this but this prayer belongs to the priest alone." That was the end of it…at least until the pastor returned.

Yes I expect it to all die out.

I am reading a book at the moment called ‘An Ungodly Rage’ and it tells of militant feminism using Catholicism to spread their religion/ideology.

Having the laity join with the priest, the book says, is a direct attempt to reduce the role of the priest to the end point of where the priest is not really needed because we are all apparently independent, equal priests of the goddess or some such politically correct clap-trap.

It will die when the generation brainwashed ‘for the cause’ also die.

Not so long now.

 

[Phemie]

Yes I expect it to all die out.

I am reading a book at the moment called ‘An Ungodly Rage’ and it tells of militant feminism using Catholicism to spread their religion/ideology.

Having the laity join with the priest, the book says, is a direct attempt to reduce the role of the priest to the end point of where the priest is not really needed because we are all apparently independent, equal priests of the goddess or some such politically correct clap-trap.

It will die when the generation brainwashed ‘for the cause’ also die.

Not so long now.

Really, stop wishing and hoping for my generation to die. Remember that we did what we were instructed to do by the priests of our day. If some priests allowed themselves to be influenced by those they shoudn’t have, that’s not on us, the obedient flock in the pews.

For example, about 16 years ago my parish was instructed, by our Pastor, to stop kneeling - at Consecration, during Communion, etc. It really came from two forceful women, the diocsan catechetical coordinator and the future administrator, and he went along because he didn’t like confrontation. That it flew in the face of the GIRM didn’t matter because nobody in our parish had ever heard of, let alone read, the GIRM, and they were none the wiser. What they were was obedient. Save for ~5, everyone stopped kneeling during the Mass.

Fast forward to 2014. Our new pastor has observed his parish for a year and is appalled at no kneeling. He brings it up at a meeting, desperate to find a way to change that.

“What do I have to do to get people to kneel?”
“Father, just tell them to kneel.”
“Really? It’s that simple?”
“Yes, Father. They weren’t particularly happy when they were told not to kneel, but they obeyed. They will not question your instruction to return to kneeling. You just have to decide whether you want them to kneel just for the Consecration, per the Canadian GIRM, or for the entire EP, as the GIRM also allows.”

You could almost hear the sign of relief when he instructed them to kneel for the entire EP.

 

[abucs]

Really, stop wishing and hoping for my generation to die. .

Each generation meeting their maker is an inevitability.

No wishing or hoping is needed.

My descriptive analysis was directed at those within the generation who were brainwashed to be detrimental the church is favour of non Christian, and sometimes anti Christian agendum.

 

[Ubenedictus]

I definitely would pray it aloud, as I already pray it silently. The popes for centuries now have wanted the laity to pray the Mass, not just hear the Mass. Here is a fine talk on the Mass by Father Riccardo: avemariaradio.net/audio-archive/christ-answer-february-15-2017/

He talks about how we should be praying along with the priest the prayers. Unfortunately you cannot skip ahead, but he addresses our praying the prayers around the 45 minute mark.

You pray the mass by making the response not by says parts of the consecration prayers meant for priests.

 

[Duane1966]

You pray the mass by making the response not by says parts of the consecration prayers meant for priests.

You are right.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

Well, that’s not a very good argument. We say “Amen” after almost every prayer we say. Our Father, Hail Mary, Act of Contrition, etc. The best argument is that it’s not in the rubrics. It is for the priest to say, and there is no instruction for the congregation to say it.

 

[Glennon_P]

This is not a problem with the EF Mass that I attend.

This is not a problem in the OF Mass I attend either.

 

[PJM]

I know that we’re not supposed to pray Per Ipsum,(ref link) but I’ve noticed in few churches that priests asks people to join him in praying Per Ipsum. When I asked a priest, he said its not wrong and also went on saying that there are many regulations in church which is not necessary. I still do feel that only a priest can pray Per Ipsum. I’m definitely not accusing the priest.… Any thoughts on this?:ehh:

Personally, I am NOT in favor of ignoring defined church practices; BUT in this instance by saying this at least internally, we are joining our personal sacrafice to that of the priest, and that’s a good thing

GBY

 

[neweggs]

I pray with him,in my mine,so only God knows what my Heart feels. AMEN :harp::bible1: