Should we be so aware of race?

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So the idea is that eventually, one day, people will be colorblind and not see people’s race, or to paraphrase Martin Luther King, they will judge others by the content of their character and not the color of their skin, and on the other, race is constantly such a focus in society.

On the one hand I understand it. In certain places, let’s take the USA as an example, there was so much discrimination against black people for so long, that’s it difficult to sweep that under the carpet and pretend it didn’t happen, or that it has had no impact on the society today. I can see why race is discussed and I can see why when you have say, the first black person in a certain profession or field, or receiving a certain prize or recognition, it’s significant, and the reason people point out that they are the first black person to do this (win an Oscar for example) is because for a long time this simply wouldn’t have been possible, because of the color of their skin.

On the other hand, I do sometimes feel like it’s difficult to think of people as people and not as people with certain color skin, when we keep being reminded of the color of their skin. If a black actor is the first black actor to win a certain award, initially I won’t even think of the color of their skin, I will just think they are a good actor and deserved this award. When I’m reminded they are the ‘first black actor to get such and such a trophy’ it’s like ‘oh right, they are black, and I’m white, and we’re different’. I go from seeing them as a human being to seeing them as a black person who is a different color to me.

Then there’s the business of these quotas of having to have a certain amount of black people or people of color, in certain companies. In the UK the BBC has a quota of BAME (Black and Minority ethnic) people they need to have in the company by a certain date. They also advertise some jobs only to BAME people. White people are literally not allowed to apply. These aren’t roles specific to non white people either, like you might need a black actor to play the part of an african king in a TV program for example. This seems like racism to me. It’s like at one point the pendulum swung one way, and now it seems to be going to other way. It never seems to stop in the middle, where it should be. Nobody cares that in the NBA for example, only about 1/3 of the players are white. Nobody says ‘oh no, we must create a quota system where we have more white people in the NBA’. People just assume that either black people are generally more interested in basketball than white people or perhaps they are just better at it. In the BBC though, and other companies, they get so concerned that there are not enough black people employed there. What if black people aren’t as interested in working for the BBB or in the media? Have they ever considered that?

If you want to defeat racism you should be allowing anybody of any race to apply for jobs in a company and decide who to hire based on their skills. If in one company that means you happen to have more white people and in another you have more black people, so be it. You shouldn’t be looking to hire people of certain races. That’s my view.
 
Recognizing the way in which Blacks have been treated is a path towards healing and ending that behavior.Noting any positives re that is good as well in achieving that goal.Having said that,viewing everything through the lens of racism is counterproductive and has become a political wedge issue for the Dems. We are witnessing that in it’s most destructive form currently.
 
I noticed you’re following the recently implemented AP standard of capitalising the word blacks. Is that on purpose?
 
Associated Press.

Since you didn’t know that I take it you are not following their writing guidelines. They basically said recently that they would now capitalise black but not white, when it comes to race.

May I ask why then you capitalized blacks and would you do the same with whites? Asking out of curiosity. It doesn’t particularly bother me.
 
I have been capitalizing Blacks in reference to that community for awhile. Not a big deal just n my opinion,re thevAP I couldn’t care less about what they do.
 
I think that was a mistake on the part of the AP. I’ve noticed that most books being written about racism today capitalize both Black and White.
 
I’m not engaging in this debate,it se ms you are attempting to start something other than general curiosity. 🤨
 
I’m not engaging in this debate
Not really. I just think it’s a bit odd to capitalise black but no other race. At first I thought you just did it without thinking, but you’ve now said you’ve done it for a while, so I’m wondering why. Is your reason in any way similar to why AP do it, or you have a different reason? The only thing I am ‘trying to start’ is a discussion. Perhaps you yourself don’t know why you do it?
 
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I am am a racial/ethnic mutt. And if I have the choice, when I mark my race or ethnicity in a job application, I prefer not to say or I put two or more races, because that way they don’t know what I am. Anyway, I think if we keep pointing out how people are externally different, than people will be MORE racist, not less. I do want to point out that my mom’s family (grandmother, great grandmother) was active in the Pan-Indian movement of the 60s and 70s. This was the era after Indian termination. It addressed an actual problem. I feel like the accusations of systemic oppression and alleged racism these days are from perceived acts of racism, not actual ones. A white cop killing an unarmed black man isn’t necessarily racist (although it is an abuse of power). I also think that automatically assuming minorities are disadvantaged, is, itself racist.
 
Yes Inagree it’s pandering by the AP in that they won’t capitalize white. Personally,I don’t care one way or the other except for yeah their clear intent.Its not an issue for me to capitalize if that’s the new norm
 
I think this obsession with race (especially in the US) is very unhealthy. Why is it relevant to call someone a ‘black actor’ and not just ‘actor’? In live in Europe and suddenly this focus of race from the US has made it’s way to my country with BLM protests and such. People even use the words ‘black’ and ‘white’ which in my language really makes no sense. It is really not helpfull and has only created more polarisation between people.
 
The Netherlands. It is not like we don’t have racism, don’t get me wrong (after all we had slavery long before the US did) but I do think most people here do not really see or address race that much normally. The only ones who do are people with left-leaning views that follow American media and racists.

I have some friends that have African ancestry (yes the old cliché…), but I won’t say “I have a black friend”. I don’t see why that is relevant, although it depends on the context of course.

It is not like not addressing differences, but I think culture and ancestry are more relevant than race. “Race” does not really exist after all and it is confusing that English-speakers use ethnicity and race interchangeably. Only focusing on skin colour doesn’t really do justice to people and to reality. What do a Italian man and a White Anglo-Protestant from the US have in common? What do a man from Papoua-New Guinea and a African-American have in common? Nothing relevant really. (And of course most people forget that there are very large different between parts of Africa too).
 
Ah The Netherlands. That’s where the Black Madonna statue of Mary was graffitied with BLM tags. I remember being shocked when I read about it.
 
Yeah that was really awfull. But it is completly restored now 🙂
There are talks about removing statues of missionaries however 😞
 
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