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Franze
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Of course, we have to do, all people have to be catholic, in all places and in all situations
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Ignatius
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Yes, but always with charity. We have an obligation to bring them to the “pillar and foundation of Truth” which Jesus founded for the salvation of mankind.
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Church_Militant
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…and having spent many years among Prots and evangelicals I can attest that they do the same thing. In fact this is the main thing that they use as a fruit to show just what a faithful follower of Christ they are. It’s not about Matthew 25-31-46, it’s all all about the great commission…Mark 16:15. It all about “witnessing” and that is why they get so hot with us…because we choose to follow all the NT, not just single passage.
I do not evangelize prots, so long as they do the same for me. The moment they choose to suggest thgat there is something deficient in my salvation because I am Catholic, then it’s on and they will find themselves the subject of their own tactics (which I’m well familiar with) and will end up with an invitation to embrace the fullness of truth and join me at Mass. I make no apologies for that since they make none for targeting members of my faith.
Pax vobiscum,
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sparkle
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Church Militant:
YES Michael–see what you are saying!!! Just recently I was the target of an old friend saying: “I am joining a false religion, one of tradition, etc., that leads to a Godless eternity”…wheww-got my feathers ruffled. I know she for a fact, with a very anti-Catholic husband of some sort of non-denom church, has been very mis-lead. Recommended some books, suggesting she do some reading, and of course re-affirmed what we do have in common, that being our Savior Jesus Christ. I gently let her know my conversion story, etc., etc., STILL, we all get slapped in the face a bit here and there, I can only think “go right ahead”…for I know God is counting on me and you too, and everyone reading this, to stand up for our Catholic Faith.
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SPOKENWORD
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Church Militant:
God Bless
Personally I would evangelize with anyone. It doesnt matter. I would find out if they are saved or not within the first couple of questions. If saved I would not continue. We would be praising God together.
God Bless
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La_Chiara
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Church Militant:
Good for you. It is so offensively arrogant of evangelical Protestants to judge whether or not Catholics (and other Christians) are saved. Where in the Bible did Christ give them the authority to judge whether others are saved? Must be there. Sola scriptura and all.
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La Chiara:
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Hi La Chiara, Just because someone goes to church doesnt mean they are christian. Just because you sleep in the garage it doesnt make you a car.Good for you. It is so offensively arrogant of evangelical Protestants to judge whether or not Catholics (and other Christians) are saved. Where in the Bible did Christ give them the authority to judge whether others are saved? Must be there. Sola scriptura and all.
God Bless
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surfinpure
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SW, with all due respect, I agree with La Chiara. It is very offensive to have a Protestant approach me, demand to know whether I’m “saved,” and then press the issue when I tell them yes, I am a Catholic. Catholic and “saved” are synonymous. Those who think otherwise need to be educated regarding the teachings of the Church.Hi La Chiara, Just because someone goes to church doesnt mean they are christian. Just because you sleep in the garage it doesnt make you a car.
When a total stranger approaches me demanding to know the state of my spirit, it is not uncommon for me to get downright hostile.
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surf(name removed by moderator)ure:
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Hi Surf(name removed by moderator)ure, If someone did approach you and DEMANDED to know whether you are saved or not I agree it would be offensive. Thats not the approach I,m talking about. To think one is catholic or protestant and think one is automatically saved is also being decieved.There are many in churches who are not saved,and that was the point I was making. Just because you are catholic doesnt mean you are saved. You have to live it.SW, with all due respect, I agree with La Chiara. It is very offensive to have a Protestant approach me, demand to know whether I’m “saved,” and then press the issue when I tell them yes, I am a Catholic. Catholic and “saved” are synonymous. Those who think otherwise need to be educated regarding the teachings of the Church.
When a total stranger approaches me demanding to know the state of my spirit, it is not uncommon for me to get downright hostile.
God Bless
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mikev
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We should always be willing to talk about our faith. This doesn’t mean “push” it on others whether they want to hear it or not. I often talk to friends/co-workers about religion in general.
Dialogue works best, be willing to listen to them, then explain your beliefs. If nothing else, this can help remove some false impressions they hold about catholics; which could be a first step in a conversion, you never know.
Dialogue works best, be willing to listen to them, then explain your beliefs. If nothing else, this can help remove some false impressions they hold about catholics; which could be a first step in a conversion, you never know.
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dennisknapp
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First off, the Catholic position is that no one can be 100% sure they are saved. We hope we will be saved by drawing closer to Christ each and everyday through the Sacraments.Hi Surf(name removed by moderator)ure, If someone did approach you and DEMANDED to know whether you are saved or not I agree it would be offensive. Thats not the approach I,m talking about. To think one is catholic or protestant and think one is automatically saved is also being decieved.There are many in churches who are not saved,and that was the point I was making. Just because you are catholic doesnt mean you are saved. You have to live it.
This is why your method will not work within a Catholic context, Spoken. You think that salvation is a once for all event, while the Church sees it as a life long process.
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psychemusic
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This is exactly the type of condescention that makes me angry. I will try to control it for the sake of civility in this forum.Just because you are catholic doesnt mean you are saved. You have to live it.
Spoken,
- Being a member of the Church does not make me saved, no. In fact, I don’t believe in assured salvation. I believe I have to work at it.
- You seem to assume that I don’t know about living my faith. Personally, I think Catholics know more about living the faith than anyone else. Protestants especially have no reason to believe they are “saved” since they refuse participate in Christ’s true Church and also not only refuse to but even blaspheme the Eucharist.
My own I am working on, and will continue to work on until I die. And then, perhaps, I may have to work on it still more.
Don’t try to tell me about living it.
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psychemusic
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EXACTLY.
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SPOKENWORD
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How did you come to the conclusion that I believe in OSAS.?
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dennisknapp
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So, you don’t believe that a person is saved at one moment in time? You believe that salvation is a process that takes a lifetime?How did you come to the conclusion that I believe in OSAS.?
Peace
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SPOKENWORD
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Yes ,I believe our salvation is a gift from God. Its only the first step. We must abide in Christ and obey His commands,or else we will be cut off and thrown into the fire.
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dennisknapp
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How do we recieve this salvation? Is baptism necessary or optional? What about the Sacraments?Yes ,I believe our salvation is a gift from God. Its only the first step. We must abide in Christ and obey His commands,or else we will be cut off and thrown into the fire.
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kmktexas
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This is an issue that a lot of “are you saved” protestants don’t get. For them, there is a watershed moment where salvation, as a gift from God, is accepted. They can tell you the day it happened. (Sometimes even the minute it happened
) All but the most ardent OSAS types will tell you that that is just the beginning.What many protestants refuse to accept is that Catholics have a watershed moment too. We can tell you the day and we have a nice certificate to refer to if we forget.
It’s the day we were Baptized. For most of us older cradle Catholics, there was never a moment since we could reason where we didn’t know that Jesus was our Lord and Saviour. It was the same as knowing who our earthy mother and father were. We didn’t have to “accept” them as our parents. They were always there and we always knew them as our parents. Baptism isn’t optional. It removes original sin (first answer) but even more importantly it makes us open to receiving the grace that flows from the Sacraments and also to receive the grace that flows from a Catholic home, a Church etc.While we know that we are “saved” by Baptism, this isn’t a ticket into Heaven. It doesn’t substitute for a life of working out our salvation in fear and trembling, as St. Paul says. Instead of thinking of it as a ticket into heaven, it is more like an entry fee into the race. You may not win, but you can’t win if you aren’t even in the race.
I think that many young Catholics feel this way too. Unfortunately, there is a generation of Catholics who were poorly catechized that might not be so sure if you pin them down.
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Ignatius
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Just because someone cries “Lord, Lord” does not mean they will be saved!Hi La Chiara, Just because someone goes to church doesnt mean they are christian. Just because you sleep in the garage it doesnt make you a car.
Can you see their heart? If not, how is it that you judge if someone is saved?
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catsrus
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As to the question; yes, whenever they knock on my door, literally or figuraitively. I LOVE to discuss religion/faith with anyone. The key word is discuss. I don’t feel blindsided by the old hat, “are you saved?” To me, it’s just a door opened for a really good explaination of my faith in Holy Mother Church.
AND, seeing as how I spent 50 years in and out of prot churches, I get great joy from being able to compare the One True Faith to the “splinters” with anyone who’s up for it.
AND, seeing as how I spent 50 years in and out of prot churches, I get great joy from being able to compare the One True Faith to the “splinters” with anyone who’s up for it.
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