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Jesus Christ died for everyone. Many people receive the benefits of His death, the redemption.
I thought of you yesterday. CAF is too much in my thoughts.
As Laszlo mentioned, Pope St. Pius X encouraged the faithful in attendance at Mass to respond according to their ability to do so, so throughout the 20th century, participation by the faithful was encouraged. Prior to that time responses by the faithful in attendance varied depending on who the faithful were, where the Mass was being said (i.e. what was common in that particular country, etc.) and so forth.I thought of you yesterday. CAF is too much in my thoughts.
Anyway, I was telling a fellow EF mass attender that I only like the missa cantatas or high masses. I do not like any mass that is silent (I guess that’s a low mass?)
She likes them.
So I told her I am glad that the EF has organically grown to include more participation, i.e., the responses by the congregation. She told me that the people were always supposed to respond but never did. I told her I thought it was different.
So is it true that the people did not respond, but were allowed to back in the day?
No, I think it will grow… I think it’s growing now too. There’s more people interested in it today than 10 years ago, imo.
I agree. With the internet, people can spread information very quickly.
Thank you so much! That is a beautiful song.
That’s interesting as I thought handmissals weren’t really used that much in church until the period of Pius X and Leo XIII.
I had a Schott (Latin German hand Missal). My copy was 19th century reprint. They were very few copies around, and such books were used to learn the altar serving, and for future priest to learn the Mass. Also priest used that to read the Gospel in German. My copy was the equivalent of the ‘Sunday Missal’, also included a set of vernacular hymns.
I don’t think that’s quite true. Here’s an 1894 missal; read here from no. 6.
Amen! the reason it has been not so prominent is due to the suppression that the Latin Mass has suffered over the years because they wanted to implement the NO. the holy father sees how much the people has suffered and the divisions that this has caused and he is trying to help the people by bringing it back.
The Mass does not Recall this act: the Mass IS the unbloody sacrifice of Calvary.
Exactly. This is the point. Only a few women and and almost kid were even present. No human participation was required.
TemplarJPN :knight2:If the diocese truly recognized the value of the traditional Mass, there would be a traditional Mass in the diocese every Sunday, or even a parish in which all the sacraments are offered in the traditional form.
No woment and kids at the Mass in the olda days? I hate to saythis my friend but that has never been the case and for you to try to insinuatwe that it was is just plain wrong and totally self serving to you agenda. I’ve read more than a few of your posts, so I think I have a pretty good idea where you are coming from.
Er, I think he’s saying that “a few women and an almost-kid” (the latter perhaps meaning St. John, sometimes believed to have been a teenager during Jesus’ life) were the ones present to be with Jesus during the Crucifixion itself.
I’m just happy its being offered and that youth are intrested it!
TemplarJPN :knight2:That’s how I read it, too.
I talked about the Golgotha, and I believe that the Gospels are eyewitness testimonies. A few women and an almost kid young male was present in Jesus side. The rest were against Him, mocked him. On the way one thief and a centurion repented.