Should We Sing the Gloria or recite it

[YoungTradCath]

Have the older settings (in English) been updated to be in compliance with the new translation (OF Mass)?

If a congregation sings the Latin settings of the Gloria, I assume that there was no need for a “new” translation, right? So the settings are exactly that same as they have been for decades? That would be an advantage, I think.

I think that one of the problems with the Gloria in the OF Mass is that the new translation is so very different than the old translation, and even after a year and a half, many of us still have trouble remembering the new translation. I wish I were more flexible in my brain, and I know I’m not the only one. Those pew cards are looking pretty tattered.

Most of them have been, yes. Well, the ones that people are interested in using.

If you sing the Latin, there was no change.

 

[CatholicZ09]

There are many easy to learn version of the Gloria. Even in the Breaking Bread hymnal.

The Heritage Mass has a fairly easy Gloria (and doesn’t use the refrain-3 verse structure that makes many versions of the Gloria far too long). The revised version is used in our Cathedral, and besides the usual learning time that it takes it’s pretty well known now amongst the parishioners.

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My parish has been using the Heritage Gloria for a year now during every Ordinary Time season. I honestly think it’s my favorite setting. It’s very easy once you get used to it, and the congregation belts it out every time. I love it.

I also prefer singing the whole thing instead of the refrain-verse way. Most people end up singing it anyways, so what’s the point?

 

[aemcpa]

And if you ask me the Gloria of the Mass of the Angels is the chant equivalent of a clapity clap clap setting.

There are so many much more beautiful (and older!) Gloria settings in the Graduale Romanum. When we chant a Gloria from the 10th or 12th century I can’t help but feel a frisson.

But I make it clear, this is a matter of personal taste.

Missa Orbis Factor ftw

 

[aemcpa]

If a congregation sings the Latin settings of the Gloria, I assume that there was no need for a “new” translation, right? So the settings are exactly that same as they have been for decades? That would be an advantage, I think.

Decades? Try a millennium.

 

[RedSparklyShoes]

A good music leader will use settings the congregation can actually sing. I went to one parish with a FABULOUS organist and as a university music student, I loved all the music choice he made. Unfortunately, hardly anyone in the congregation could EVER sing what he chose, which made it a very poor choice, even though it was a very excellent setting.

 

[curlycool89]

I should clarify that when we in Canada are talking about the Angeles Mass, we’re talking about the Mass setting written by Fr. Geoffrey Angeles, not the Missa de Angelis (the Latin chant one).

No, they are speaking about something else. An awful clapity clap clap setting.

I would say it’s not my preference, but it’s not that bad. I wouldn’t describe it as “clapity clap clap”.

No, we’re talking about the Fr. Geoffrey Angeles’s setting of the Gloria, one of three settings commissioned by the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops for the new Missal. All three settings have responsorial Glorias.

To add insult to injury, the CCCB then published “Celebrate in Song” to provide parishes with the new prayers and Mass settings and divided the book into:
Mass Setting A: Geoffrey Angeles
Mass Setting B: John Dawson (Mass of the Holy Family)
Mass Setting C: Michel Guimond
Other Chants: in this section they dumped the Roman Missal chant settings. Our choir director admitted not even looking at that section at all because it wasn’t marked as a “Mass Setting”.

You can check out the settings at the link above. Setting C is better than A & B but not accessible to a parish that doesn’t want to sing a capella and has only a couple of guitar strummers and an accordion (mercifully not used very often) to accompany the choir.

Like I said, my preference is for B over A (it could have to do with the fact that I learned B first), but A’s not bad. I’ve never heard C used before.

 

[GangGreen]

I think Gloria VIII (de Angelis) is great. Pretty soon people are going to start saying that Credo III is played out too.

I’m also a big fan of Gloria IV (Cunctipotens Genitor Deus) and a few others. Although a lot of them do sound somewhat similar.

btw, here’s a great link to all the different forms
ccwatershed.org/kyriale/

 

[aemcpa]

Pretty soon people are going to start saying that Credo III is played out too.

Credo I > Credo III.