Should we watch Michael Voris?

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Without church militant a lot of the filth in the church would still be hidden. Many children would likely still be in danger when some now are not. They perform a much needed function and I support them in that. It should not be one’s only source of Catholic news however.
 
I do watch Bishop Barron on YouTube. Not sure about Father William Nicholas. Have to look him up and see if I recognize him.
 
Anybody, especially with children, should thank CM for shining the light on those people. If they expand the purpose of their videos and articles other than seeking out the sexually deviant, I think would do them a lot of good. The only time I really see them try to have some fun is during the Lenten Season with Holy Mackerel. Having a bit more fun in the middle of the seriousness constantly would help them out immensely.
 
Cor_ad_Cor said:
I don’t recall every detail, but I do recall feeling like it was a move overdue. In my opinion, Voris was essentially presenting his sometimes rather extreme opinions and preferences as Church teaching where the Magisterium did not agree, and he did so in such a way that the average person could be caught unaware and be misled and misinformed.
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Yes, you have it essentially correct. I seem to recall that his view on Jews and Judaism was a large part of it - he denies most of Catholic teaching in that area (but presents his own views as if they were Catholic). The issues were not limited to Judaism, but that is the one that sticks out in my mind.
 
Crusader13 said:
Unfortunately many people will advice you to steer clear based upon nothing more than their opinion of his character and CM’s continued mission to shed light on corruption in the church.
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That’s a pretty serious charge against those of us who advise against watching Voris. Sounds like you’re saying we don’t want corruption exposed. Proof, please.
 
I would just say this about Voris. If you want to follow Voris and believe what he teaches, that is your choice. But if you want to know what the Church teaches, why would you turn to a person that the Church has expressly said does not represent the Church’s teachings? So follow Voris if you want to follow him. If you want to learn what the Church teaches, ask the Church.
 
TMC said:
I would just say this about Voris. If you want to follow Voris and believe what he teaches, that is your choice. But if you want to know what the Church teaches, why would you turn to a person that the Church has expressly said does not represent the Church’s teachings? So follow Voris if you want to follow him. If you want to learn what the Church teaches, ask the Church.
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What exactly does Voris/CM teach or support that is contrary to Church teaching? And what about Jews and Judaism does the Church teach that Voris said was incorrect?
 
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I never said people don’t want corruption exposed. I was saying that people don’t want to watch Voris or CM because that’s one of CM’s main goals and they find the negativity too divisive. CM started off as an apologetics website with videos and material to strengthen one’s faith, but it morphed into an investigative media outlet.

My statement was based on what people were saying in regards to why they don’t watch. They don’t like Voris or his negative tone and they view him as divisive. Some people just don’t want to be constantly reminded of which clergy member is doing something wrong.
 
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I’ve been watching him a lot lately, and he’s revealed a lot of “dirt” in the Catholic Church. I had no idea things were so bad before watching “The Vortex”. His latest video was very unsettling, listening to that young boy be groomed. :cry: It’s a good thing the predator-priest in question is now facing jail time with that young boy’s help.
 
I agree. Im not saying one needs to watch Voris or support CM, but the work they’ve done has been very good and often times they’ve been at the forefront of breaking these stories and finding the hidden corruption and scandals.

I don’t know how much more there is to the Fr. Deland story, but wouldn’t you want to know if another priest, Bishop or Cardinal knew about Deland and did nothing?!?! Or if another priest was doing what Deland had been doing. I certainly would and I’d want someone to expose them all and everyone who allowed it to happen.

That’s why I support CM because they are dedicated to bringing cases like this to light.
 
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Crusader13 said:
I never said people don’t want corruption exposed.
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Well, it sure sounds like it when you say “many people will advice you to steer clear based upon nothing more than their opinion of his character and CM’s continued mission to shed light on corruption in the church.”
 
Well I’m not making that up. Many people cite Voris’ character and tone as a reason for not watching him. Yet they say nothing about whether or not the work he’s done is credible and beneficial.

Others say they just don’t like him because he’s divisive and he goes after clergy members. Yet they (the critics) make no distinction between the clergy members whom they go after. So naturally they all get lumped together.

McCarrick, Wuerl, James Martin, Cupich, Dolan, Barron, and the list goes on. CM has done different stories on all these men and for vastly different reasons. Yet many will simply say CM attacks clergy without specifying who and for what reason. These “attacks” get generalized and people don’t want to hear about what they did or did not do.
 
CapitalistCatholic said:
From what I hear, EWTN used to be just like CM until the USCCB, or as I like to call it the “USCC-BS”, began to have more of a say of what was aired after Mother Angelica died. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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Yes that is somewhat correct, but I believe EWTN’s leadership structure actually includes clergy from the USCCB so they are exercising valid authority to dictate their own programming.

When Mother Angelica was alive that wasn’t the case. When she was still running the day to day operation, she was openly critical of clergy whom she felt, were harming the faith by their actions and teachings. Just watch her famous video where she criticized the World Youth Day back in the mid 90’s.

Raymond Arroyo wrote two books chronicling his time with Mother Angelica and highlighting her struggles with her superiors who didn’t like her calling out those she disagreed with.

Yet, I don’t believe EWTN was ever an investigative news source the way that CM now is. They do report on the news and Raymond Arroyo has had some good interviews and news pieces, but they don’t focus on corruption or scandal or clergy who may be teaching errors.
 
Crusader13 said:
What exactly does Voris/CM teach or support that is contrary to Church teaching? And what about Jews and Judaism does the Church teach that Voris said was incorrect?
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As I recall, Voris teaches that the Jews of today are not real Jews - he says that “real” Judaism ended with the destruction of the temple, and that today’s Jews are not real Jews. I think he goes so far as to say that modern day Jews do not really believe in God. He also says that God’s covenant with the Jewish people has ended, and that Jews cannot be saved. All of those things are directly contradicted by the Church’s teaching.

I have not really heard much about Voris in the past few years. He seems to have become popular again in some circles. I recall that there were many problems with his teaching. The one on Judaism sticks in my mind because it got a lot of attention a few years ago, and was a part of what led to him being banned from speaking in some dioceses.
 
From every exposure I have had, Mr Voris’ words are selected to cause outrage in the listener. This is the spiritual equivalent of slamming a boiling Red Bull.

While sometimes one may need all of that caffine and chemicals, a steady diet will cause harm. Sometimes we need a cup of tea.

Be sure to drink plenty of good, cool spiritual water.
 
Catholic TV has good programming. Ave Maria Radio is another source, Al Kresta takes on hard issues without the spin.
 
TMC said:
He also says that God’s covenant with the Jewish people has ended, and that Jews cannot be saved. All of those things are directly contradicted by the Church’s teaching.
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I’ve never watched the videos or talks where Voris spoke of this, but I’m sure I could find it if I search a little. It was my understanding that modern day Judaism was an offshoot/descendent of the Pharisees, but I don’t know what Voris said regarding this.

In reference to the salvation of the Jews, and I don’t want to presume what you mean here, but they cannot be saved simply by remaining Jews. The Church, I don’t believe teaches this.
 
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God bless
 
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