Should we watch Michael Voris?

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I respect the office of priest 100%, but I must humbly say Fr.James Martin is causing alot of trouble and promoting the gay agenda. He errors in thinking God makes same sex attraction therefore people should embrace homosexuality. This is totally false. Also, people that in their mind give into homosexuality are sinning, its not just same sex acts that are sins. Fr.Martin is actually hurting people with same sex attraction, not helping them. The group Courage and Fr.Paul Check are the best examples to follow. I truly hope the Church steps in and does something about Fr.Martin.
 
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My review of “Building a Bridge” is that it is aimed at a specific audience, people who are Catholic who already know that sex outside of marriage is sinful. That is a given in the book. It is not a “Christian Doctrines Primer”.
 
Nigel7 said:
I said they stood at the mic and expressed themselves. There was a video of it the following day on youtube from a news source releasing clips of the summit.
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So, a Bishop expressed his opinion. If you do not have any link to the video, I will have to take your word for it. Apparently this opinion did not result in the Bishops determining this opinion should become policy.
Nigel7 said:
Would you encourage people to commit adultery? Even to celebrate it?
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I’ve never read or heard one word where Fr Martin encourages people to commit sin.

If you have examples, please, post them. If not, then, the discussion is deteriorating into rash judgment and detraction of a priest.
 
It doesnt have to be in the Catechism, (although its stated implicitly look below) . Its Natural Law. If one desires another of the same sex then one has sinned.

[2359] Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
 
We pray lead us not to temptation.

We do not pray let us stay in temptation.

Eventhough a person tempted to steal but not acting on that urge, theoretically not a thief yet, he still need to get rid of that temptation the sooner the better.

Ssa is a temptation to commit a sinful act. Eventhough non-practiced ssa is not sinful, one must still pray to get out from it.
 
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CurtisHouse said:
What are your thoughts on him and whether it is a good idea or not to continue supporting his work?
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If you don’t like what you hear from him, then don’t listen to it.

Personally I think there are positive and negative points to his channel, and you need to be able to discern.

For new converts to the Catholic faith, I think it is probably not an ideal thing to be watching.

But for those who realise there are controversial viewpoints within the Catholic Church and all is not always harmonious, then watching his channel and exercising discernment it is probably a different matter.
 
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Bataar said:
It definitely shows the sad state of affairs in the church that this is the state of affairs when Michael Voris has a better understanding of Catholic doctrine than many of the clergy.
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Or is it possible that Voris and his followers do not understand Catholic doctrine as well as the Pope and the Vatican?
 
Yes, sure. But probably not all the time. He does expose things no one else bothers to talk about. Sensationalism and a ‘negative tone’ are just part of the brand.
 
Hard to believe, but last week I found out about the Blobfish, so I guess anything is possible. :crazy_face:
 
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Bataar:
It definitely shows the sad state of affairs in the church that this is the state of affairs when Michael Voris has a better understanding of Catholic doctrine than many of the clergy.
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Or is it possible that Voris and his followers do not understand Catholic doctrine as well as the Pope and the Vatican?
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Bataar:
It definitely shows the sad state of affairs in the church that this is the state of affairs when Michael Voris has a better understanding of Catholic doctrine than many of the clergy.
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Or is it possible that Voris and his followers do not understand Catholic doctrine as well as the Pope and the Vatican?
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Voris isn’t the one issuing statements and teachings that contradict church doctrine.
 
Bataar said:
Voris isn’t the one issuing statements and teachings that contradict church doctrine.
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Are you sure about that? Seems like the Church thinks that he is, and that Fr. Martin is not. When it comes to what the Church’s doctrine is and is not, I will stick with the Pope and the Church.
 
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Bataar:
Voris isn’t the one issuing statements and teachings that contradict church doctrine.
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Are you sure about that? Seems like the Church things that he is, and that Fr. Martin is not. When it comes to what the Church’s doctrine is and is not, I will stick with the Pope and the Church.
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What will you do when the pope and the church contradict each other?
 
Bataar said:
What will you do when the pope and the church contradict each other?
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Not sure that it is possible. I’ll deal with it when it happens. In the meantime, I will continue to rely on the Pope and the Church for guidance on what the Church teaches, and continue to disregard internet sites run by random malcontents.
 
TheLittleLady said:
My review of “Building a Bridge” is that it is aimed at a specific audience, people who are Catholic who already know that sex outside of marriage is sinful. That is a given in the book. It is not a “Christian Doctrines Primer”.
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That’s a roundabout way of saying no.

A priest who claims to minister to the same-sex attracted but does not remind them of the importance of living in-line with Church teachings is failing pastorally.

It’s clear why Fr. Martin won’t do this - he doesn’t agree with and refuses to affirm the teachings and language of the Church in this area, seeking amongst other things, a change to the Catechism.

He is doing those he claims to help a great disservice.
 
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Bataar:
What will you do when the pope and the church contradict each other?
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Not sure that it is possible. I’ll deal with it when it happens. In the meantime, I will continue to rely on the Pope and the Church for guidance on what the Church teaches, and continue to disregard internet sites run by random malcontents.
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Here’s an example. The church teaches that one must be Catholic to be saved. It’s in many dogmatic statements and was even proclaimed by Pope Boniface VIII in an Ex Cathedra statement and is therefore infallible and cannot be changed.

Pope Francis claims that it’s a grave sin to try to convert Jews and the Orthodox. If they’re not converted, according to church doctrine, they cannot be saved. How do you reconcile this contradiction?
 
TMC said:
I will continue to rely on the Pope and the Church for guidance on what the Church teaches,
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That is good but in order to rely on what the Church and Popes teach we need to be sure we are learning actual infallible doctrine and Tradition, not opinions or theories of those around the Pope or those priests and cardinals following the society fads.
 
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Bataar said:
Here’s an example. The church teaches that one must be Catholic to be saved. It’s in many dogmatic statements and was even proclaimed by Pope Boniface VIII in an Ex Cathedra statement and is therefore infallible and cannot be changed.

Pope Francis claims that it’s a grave sin to try to convert Jews and the Orthodox. If they’re not converted, according to church doctrine, they cannot be saved. How do you reconcile this contradiction?
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I think you may be misunderstanding the Church’s teaching on salvation. The Church does not teach that one needs to be Catholic to be saved.
 
MagdalenaRita said:
That is good but in order to rely on what the Church and Popes teach we need to be sure we are learning actual infallible doctrine and Tradition, not opinions or theories of those around the Pope or those priests and cardinals following the society fads.
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In the first place, not all doctrines are infallible. Most of the sure teachings of the Church are not infallible. Regardless, are you seriously saying that you will put the ramblings of some internet guy like Voris over the Magisterium of the Church?

EDIT - let me clarify that. If someone in good faith searches their conscience and thinks the Church is wrong about something, I think that person can (and should) disagree with the Church on that point. (Although I still would not rely on some ranty internet guy to make that decision.) But I think that it is not reasonable, or logical, to rely on those outside the teaching authority of the Church to DEFINE what the Church teaches, or what the Church can teach. If the Church cannot say what the Church teaches, or if outsiders like Voris can gainsay the Church, seems to me there is no Church.
 
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