Should we watch Michael Voris?

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OnAJourney said:
A lot of their content pushes the idea that sexual orientation can change and there is absolutely zero evidence to support that. It’s also heavily discouraged by the Church itself.
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There are many testimonies in youtube of people who decided to “quit” gay lifestyle, got married, and found a more fulfilling life. One of them is Voris himself.

God call all sinners to repentance.

Sadly there are some in the church, they still believe in and teach-- contrary to biology-- being homosexual means “they are created that way”. Which is misleading. Being gay is a sin, and nobody is created “that” way.
 
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Finn said:
You’ve read and are recommending Building a Bridge? Doesn’t this book deal with Fr. Martin’s objection to the wording of the CCC? His direct opposition to the teaching of the Church that uses the words ‘objectively disordered’?
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If changing words, or even deepening the teachings, contained in the Catechism is contrary to Church teachings, then we have some Pope’s to correct.

Language is changed in the Catechism. Discussing this is not heresy. Pope Francis formalized an important change just last year.

Here are most of the changes made over the past years

 
TheLittleLady said:
If changing words, or even deepening the teachings, contained in the Catechism is contrary to Church teachings, then we have some Pope’s to correct.
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Changing just one word in a sentence can change a whole meaning of that sentence. Someone who is to be speaking with the intent on leading souls to heaven should be clear and not use words to prevent clarity, which is what many find problematic with Father Martin. A lack of clear teaching can and has led souls to believe something is not a sin when it is.

Father James Martin is not a pope but even a pope should have clarity when shepherding souls.
 
TheLittleLady said:
If changing words, or even deepening the teachings, contained in the Catechism is contrary to Church teachings, then we have some Pope’s to correct.

Language is changed in the Catechism. Discussing this is not heresy. Pope Francis formalized an important change just last year.

Here are most of the changes made over the past years
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Pope Francis made a change to the Catechism. Prior to that change being made, the new position that the death penalty was ‘inadmissable’ would have been contrary to the teachings of the Church. Fr. Martin is teaching that the words of the Catechism in a different area are wrong, outdated and in need of change. He has no authority to propogate this personal viewpoint which is in opposition to the Church’s.

The link you provided is to a list of corrections made to the English text of the CCC, by the CDF, in order to align it with the Latin text. It is in no way analogous to Fr. Martin’s desire to change the English words of the English translation so as to alter the actual teaching of the Church.

Irrespective of how many times you have said it, I don’t believe you can accurately and in good faith claim that you’ve never read one word of Fr Martin’s catechesis that is contrary to Church teachings.
 
I am not sure about CM, my personal choice to learn about the faith , its just a great show. The Patrick Madrid Show on Relevant Radio. there are podcasts of the daily show broadcast in many places…and on the Rev Radio website 🙂
 
francisca.chapter3 said:
Being gay is a sin
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No it’s not. Acting on the inclination is but having it is not.
francisca.chapter3 said:
nobody is created “that” way.
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We don’t know what causes SSA. It’s clear that men are meant to be attracted to women and women are meant to be attracted to men so I am inclined to agree that exclusive SSA is a type of illness. However many children are born with illnesses that current medicine can’t cure.
 
Elf01 said:
I am inclined to agree that exclusive SSA is a type of illness. However many children are born with illnesses that current medicine can’t cure.
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I agree on this one.

If it is an illness, then it is not something to be taught in schools. Gender theory should not be taught in schools. No child should learn something unhealthy as “who you are”.

Instead, we try to discern the spirit, and seek for wisdom that guide our understanding the psychology of it and how to cure it.
 
Elf01 said:
We don’t know what causes SSA.
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Actually its not that hard. Romans1 explains the reason why these ssa. When a person learn about sex through porn, most likely bad spirits present in those. Bad spirits are deceiving spirits. The spirit of lies. Our spiritual war is constantly against these spirits. Whoever buys the lie, they fall from grace: these often manifests in our perverted logic, and perverted sexuality.

These principalities can make the lie seems real and manifested as the person’s day to day
reality

In the area of psychology & science the exact cause is not known yet. But our bible explains the spiritual reasons, and that these spiritual reasons made manifested into one’s will.
 
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Finn said:
Prior to that change being made, the new position that the death penalty was ‘inadmissable’ would have been contrary to the teachings of the Church.
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I do not mean to be a stickler, but since the discussion speaks of precision, I would like to point out that the opinion of the death penalty being inadmissible is not contrary to Church teaching, but is merely not reflective of the Church teaching. Even a century ago a faithful Catholic could hold the opinion that the death penalty was no longer morally inadmissible.

There is so much room for a Catholic to remain orthodox in his opinion and still disagree with other Catholics who are equally orthodox. Both liberal and traditional theologians can be 100% faithful to what the Church teaches, yet vary wildly where doctrine is not defined, where science reveals new light, and where practical application exists.

That is why groups like Church Militant and people like Fr. Martin can both be Catholic, but should not be taking pot shots at each other like the were the enemy. It is figuratively the hand gouging at the eye in the Body of Christ.
 
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Finn said:
Irrespective of how many times you have said it, I don’t believe you can accurately and in good faith claim that you’ve never read one word of Fr Martin’s catechesis that is contrary to Church teachings.
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CAlling someone a liar is contrary to the forum rules. I will kindly ask you to apologize
 
TheLittleLady said:
As I have said over and over and over, I have never read one word of Fr Martin’s catechesis that were contrary to Church teachings
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Father Martin recently tweeted to his twitter account an article from New York Times reading, “How to Defy the Catholic Church”. While it is not Father Martin’s article he does shows his support for the article by retweeting it and not only does the tweet contain an article on defying the Church but includes an image of two men embracing imtimately in a way contrary to Church teaching.

Pray for Father Martin and all of our priests.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Irrespective of how many times you have said it, I don’t believe you can accurately and in good faith claim that you’ve never read one word of Fr Martin’s catechesis that is contrary to Church teachings.
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That is not what was said.

I’m becoming doubtful that this discussion can productively advance. I’ve provided - at your request - multiple examples of Fr. Martin’s personal views and teachings which stand in opposition to the Church’s. From the RNS interview, where he refused to agree with and affirm Church teachings, while calling for those teachings to be changed via the CCC, it couldn’t be clearer that his catechesis is contrary to the Church’s.

Building a Bridge and its author miss the mark by not teaching or even reminding their SSA readers of the need to live in-line with Church teachings. This failure seems to stem from an underlying disagreement with those teachings and results in confusion and harm.

There are clear parallels here with the New Ways Ministry, which Fr. Martin is a tireless advocate for and much lauded by. In the 1990’s, NWM’s founders published a book called Building Bridges: Gay and Lesbian Reality and the Catholic Church. The book’s ambiguities in relation to Church teachings drew the attention of the CDF and ultimately led to the authors being permanently prohibited from pastoral education and holding office.

The CDF noted that “the promotion of errors and ambiguities is not consistent with a Christian attitude of true respect and compassion: persons who are struggling with homosexuality no less than any others have the right to receive the authentic teaching of the Church from those who minister to them.”

Here is the link to Cardinal Ratzinger’s Notification, which you may find interesting:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c..._19990531_gramick-nugent-notification_en.html
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To quote Jesus who spoke to the adulterous woman, " Neither do I condemn you", but fail to quote the rest of His sentence “Go, sin no more!”

is typical Fr. James Martin.

He sounds like teaching church teaching, but with subtle little twist.

It is not merely about changing wordings.
 
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This shows the dangerous nature of Father James Martin’s ‘catechesis’. We all know that he has problematic views on homosexual acts and transgenderism, etc. Even his using of the term LGBT is indicative of his capitulation and endorsement of the aberrant, sinful pride movement. Yet he has always been careful not to actually put to words his actual opinion so that we can have a 100 post discussion about whether Father James’ subtleties and retweets and winks and nods can be counted as him being, at best, heterodoxical or whether the uncharitable of us on CAF are just being too harsh on Father James.

Coming into the faith this year I have been blessed to be in a community which fully supports and embraces Catholic teaching and tradition. Where the whole Truth is taught and fraternal correction is offered with an aim to getting the most souls as possible into heaven. I fear for how many people Father James prevents from attaining their union with God and how his placation and platitudes could lead souls to hell.

Regrettably the only thing we can do is pray for him and for the other priests, bishops and cardinals like him to change their ways and to actually preach The Way, The Truth and The Life. That is what will save the Catholic Church today.
 
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Bishop Reed is truly a great man I he is a great friend of mine. He puts out great programming on the catholic faith truly a great guy.
 
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