Should Wicca be illegal?

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Should it?

The Bible is filled with references to how awful Witchcraft is, and “Wiccans” are basically modern day witches.

While “Thou shallt not suffer a witch to live” only applied to the ancient Hebrews, should there be any state action against Wicca, spell-books etc?
 
No.

Wiccans, as objectionable as their beliefs may be, are entitled to practice their religion freely, a right we Catholics uphold. This is because every person has the right to seek the truth in good faith, and even if they reach the wrong conclusion, this right cannot be taken away by the state. There is only one thing the state needs to watch out for, and that is public order. For as long as Wiccans, Muslims, or Catholics practice their faith without disrupting public order, the state must be hands off.
 
Of course not. Not sure where you are but we have freedom of religion in the US. Do you want the Government to be able to make it illegal for the Catholic church to teach that homosexual acts are a sin or that abortion is murder? You can’t open that door without it biting you in the rear end.

You know the Church does teach that we have free will.
 
I suppose since we live in the USA it would be impracticle or unwise to call for the end of Wicca. My apologies.

Although… I hear wiccas do engage in casting curses, spells, and hexes.

I have seen them in Barnes and Noble buying their spellbooks. I sometimes fear who they have targeted.
 
Absolutely. To be blunt, Wicca is demonic and leads souls to hell.

The problem, of course, is that it may be nigh on impossible for a modern state to exist that isn’t utterly steeped in worldliness.
 
AttendeDomine said:
Absolutely. To be blunt, Wicca is demonic and leads souls to hell.

The problem, of course, is that it may be nigh on impossible for a modern state to exist that isn’t utterly steeped in worldliness.
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Hmm…

Im correct in thinking it is significantly more demonic than other “pagan” religions such as hinduism, confucianism, buddhism?

Aside from it’s problematic view of the afterlife, Buddhism seems to be quite peaceful, mandating kindness, harmony etc.

But of course just relatively. Wicca is just a step above satanism correct?
 
AttendeDomine said:
Absolutely. To be blunt, Wicca is demonic and leads souls to hell.

The problem, of course, is that it may be nigh on impossible for a modern state to exist that isn’t utterly steeped in worldliness.
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Doesn’t matter. Not even satanism itself should be made illegal, unless they’re sacrificing virgins and that kind of stuff (which would then be contrary to public order, and this therefore engages the state’s duty).

To impose coercions on Wiccans is a violation of their human (not constitutional; this is a universal) right to seek the truth in peace. That their search has led them to error is beside the point. Once the state imposes coercions, they become unable to exercise their right to seek and choose the truth in freedom.

This is the Catholic position.

Error may have no rights, but those who are in error do.
 
porthos11 said:
Doesn’t matter. Not even satanism itself should be made illegal, unless they’re sacrificing virgins and that kind of stuff (which would then be contrary to public order, and this therefore engages the state’s duty).

To impose coercions on Wiccans is a violation of their human (not constitutional; this is a universal) right to seek the truth in peace. That their search has led them to error is beside the point. Once the state imposes coercions, they become unable to exercise their right to seek and choose the truth in freedom.

This is the Catholic position.

Error may have no rights, but those who are in error do.
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Well said. I mean Neopaganism as it exists today is more a duotheistic earth/element worship than anything else. Not Christianity obviously, but not any more or less “evil” than other non-Christian religions. And more importantly to persecute or ban one or more recognized Neopagan religious groups (and Neopaganism is a recognized religion in the US with it’s own chaplains in the military, it’s own tax exempt groups, etc…) is to then invite the same treatment of all religions, including Christianity.
 
The Church has always rejected religious freedom in Blessed Pius IX’s Syllabus of Errors He made this perfectly clear.

Error has no rights only Catholicism because it’s the True Faith which can lead souls to Heaven.

Religious liberty leads to secularism and a Godless liberal State and that is why we are in the mess of today.
 
Trad_Catholic27 said:
The Church has always rejected religious freedom in Blessed Pius IX’s Syllabus of Errors He made this perfectly clear.

Error has no rights only Catholicism because it’s the True Faith which can lead souls to Heaven.

Religious liberty leads to secularism and a Godless liberal State and that is why we are in the mess of today.
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Perhaps. Should we then round up all the Wicca and make them go to mass/read the bible until they change their ways?:rolleyes:
 
HabemusFrancis said:
Perhaps. Should we then round up all the Wicca and make them go to mass/read the bible until they change their ways?:rolleyes:
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We can’t even manage to get self professed Catholics to follow what the Church teaches. Polls show that something like 80% of Catholics use birth control for example.
 
Cider said:
We can’t even manage to get self professed Catholics to follow what the Church teaches. Polls show that something like 80% of Catholics use birth control for example.
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82% actually support birth control usage. Only 2% of US Catholics use NFP.
 
Trad_Catholic27 said:
The Church has always rejected religious freedom in Blessed Pius IX’s Syllabus of Errors He made this perfectly clear.

Error has no rights only Catholicism because it’s the True Faith which can lead souls to Heaven.

Religious liberty leads to secularism and a Godless liberal State and that is why we are in the mess of today.
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The Church rightly condemns errors. But the Church upholds people’s rights to practice even false religions in peace, free from state coercion, as part of their God-given rights to seek the truth free of coercion.

The Syllabus does not condemn religious freedom. It condemns the notion that one can pick-and-choose a religion according to what he considers “true”; even we still do that. It’s called relativism. It does not condone state coercion against those of differing religions. If one practices a false religion, he is rightly called in error. He is not morally free to persist in that religion especially when the truth is made clear to him. But it does NOT entitle the state to strongarm him into converting.

This is the key difference between the Syllabus and Dignitatis Humanae, the latter of which is, of course, a Magisterial document.

This kind of attitude is held by Islamic states and look at where that gets Christians trapped in those states. If you want Catholics to be left in peace, the state must leave those of other religions in peace as well.

Those who claim that the Church has rejected religious freedom is holding on to a simplistic interpretation without consideration of the overall Magisterium on the matter.

Error may have no rights, but those who are in error do.
 
Trad_Catholic27 said:
The Church has always rejected religious freedom in Blessed Pius IX’s Syllabus of Errors He made this perfectly clear.

Error has no rights only Catholicism because it’s the True Faith which can lead souls to Heaven.

]Religious liberty leads to secularism ]and a Godless liberal State and that is why we are in the mess of today.
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Obviously then the bishops are preaching heresy when they advocate religious liberty! :eek:

I knew it! Our bishops cannot be trusted! 🤷
 
coachdennis said:
Obviously then the bishops are preaching heresy when they advocate religious liberty! :eek:

I knew it! Our bishops cannot be trusted! 🤷
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Exactly.

One thing we need to realize is that the Church teaches religious liberty so that people can be free to eventually become Catholic. The Church is not an idiot; she knows people will fall into error and pick the wrong religion. But she maintains that people must be free to risk that in their effort to seek the truth, not bound by any secular power. To insist otherwise will result in nothing but hard feelings, persecution and false converts.
 
I have never said anything about Our Bishops preaching heresy what I said is that allowing others to embrace error is wrong because it can lead to religious indifferenism

We are required by Christ to establish the Social Reign of Christ The King which involves us to convert non believers to Catholicism.

Of course we respect their right to rebellion against God’s Church and Our Lord but we must go out and evangelize those outside the True Faith along with Ourselves and our families.
 
AttendeDomine said:
Absolutely. To be blunt, Wicca is demonic and leads souls to hell.

The problem, of course, is that it may be nigh on impossible for a modern state to exist that isn’t utterly steeped in worldliness.
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Unfortunately in your haste to make it illegal, you are throwing religious freedom out the window, thereby saying if a government feels it justified, right or wrong, they can make any religion or faith including Catholicism illegal. …I don’t want to live as some of my family members were forced to live behind the iron curtain.
 
Trad_Catholic27 said:
I have never said anything about Our Bishops preaching heresy what I said is that allowing others to embrace error is wrong because it can lead to religious indifferenism

We are required by Christ to establish the Social Reign of Christ The King which involves us to convert non believers to Catholicism.

Of course we respect their right to rebellion against God’s Church and Our Lord but we must go out and evangelize those outside the True Faith along with Ourselves and our families.
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Trad,

Your original statement: The Church **has always rejected religious freedom **in Blessed Pius IX’s Syllabus of Errors He made this perfectly clear.

If the bishops are advocating this then what is it…?

In your original statement you said nothing about respecting others’ rights as you did in your last statement.
 
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