Should women be ordained?

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The worst Holy Thursday I ever experienced was when a female pastoral assistant started her homily by stating that she hoped that someday she would not have to explain to a 10 year old girl why she couldn’t be a priest. The really lame part was that the priest and parishioners just sat there and listened like dopes.
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that’s terrible. the problem is that the whimpy bishop never put his foot down. why are our bishops so afriad to admonish and when need discipline people out of line? in the seven letters to the seven churches in revalation, Jesus didn’t say any nice things to a certain church. when you love someone, you chastise in hope of converstion.

this is the crisis of the post VII church. it’s the same mentality that tries to be “nice” to homos and sensitive to all sorts of perversion and sins that cry out to heaven. nobody takes hell seriously or the devil and his influence. the fact is that souls fall into hell like snowflakes.
 
The worst Holy Thursday I ever experienced was when a female pastoral assistant started her homily by stating that she hoped that someday she would not have to explain to a 10 year old girl why she couldn’t be a priest. The really lame part was that the priest and parishioners just sat there and listened like dopes.
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that’s terrible. the problem is that the whimpy bishop never put his foot down. why are our bishops so afriad to admonish and when needed discipline people out of line? in the seven letters to the seven churches in revalation, Jesus didn’t say any nice things to a certain church. when you love someone, you chastise in hope of converstion.

this is the crisis of the post VII church. it’s the same mentality that tries to be “nice” to homos and sensitive to all sorts of perversion and sins that cry out to heaven. nobody takes hell seriously or the devil and his influence. the fact is that souls fall into hell like snowflakes.
 
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that’s terrible. the problem is that the whimpy bishop never put his foot down. why are our bishops so afriad to admonish and when needed discipline people out of line? in the seven letters to the seven churches in revalation, Jesus didn’t say any nice things to a certain church. when you love someone, you chastise in hope of converstion.

this is the crisis of the post VII church. it’s the same mentality that tries to be “nice” to homos and sensitive to all sorts of perversion and sins that cry out to heaven. nobody takes hell seriously or the devil and his influence. the fact is that souls fall into hell like snowflakes.
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Because some times the bishops agree with those disobeying.
 
Should or shouldn’t doesnt really matter since the pope has declared that women can’t be ordained.

Woman priest is an oxymoron. A woman can be a priest as much as a dog can be a cat. It is a material impossibility!
 
Thorn

Father Corapi is a unique individual-if we had 10,000 more of him and Bishops as devout as he, this board would probably not need to exist. But the Bishops and the higher ups will keep him in his place-thank Goodness EWTN gives him some airtime, usually around Midnight, and unfortunatly reserves the Prime time spots now for “Our Muslim Neighbors”, “The God Squad” and More Ecumenical garbago.
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ThornGenX:
I voted “no”. I am sticking with the Pope and his authority. Fr John Corapi also had a good explaination for why women can not ever be ordained as priests. His quick answer was “Jesus did not say so.” The longer answer is at the end of his conversion story that the mary foundation has available as a free tape or CD.
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Women Can’t be ordained period, the Holy Father stated this infalibly in ORDINATIO SACERDOTALIS,

“…Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful…”
-Pope John Paul II
 
Only pagan religions have “priestesses” & “goddesses”.

Men can’t have babies, women can’t be priests.
 
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patg:
So I wonder why all priests aren’t required to be practicing Jews since Christ only chose Jews…
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Well, Levite priests are required to be practicing Jews. But the Levitical priesthood is also an inherited priesthood.

My understanding is that Christ’s priesthood is in the order of Melchezidek (Probably not spelled right) which isn’t a Jewish priesthood. So I don’t think being Jewish is required in the order of Melchezedek. Not only that, but I don’t believe there is any historical basis of women ever being priests in the order of Melchezedek or the Levitical priesthood. I wonder if there is any historical basis ever for women being priests for the One True Living God. I haven’t seen any yet.

In Christ,
Scarlet
 
Should or could?

I never liked this question in today’s political climate. it never seems based in theology, but one in political correctness. Even if they could, I wouldn’t want it. It seems people who want this have other agendas.
 
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Lurch104:
No!

No!

I think the church has already settled this. The sacrement of Holy Orders is reserved for Men.
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Sort of. Ordinatio Sacerdotalis technically only addressed Presbyterial Ordination.
I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful
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The Sacrament of Holy Order to the Diaconate is still listed as a permitted matter of discussion.

I still think it’s a mistake, but that particular matter may still be discussed.
 
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patg:
So I wonder why all priests aren’t required to be practicing Jews since Christ only chose Jews…
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To be more correct, He chose members of Israel to be priests. St Paul writes that Catholicism is the New Israel so priests who act in the name of the eternal high priest, must be members of the new Israel.

The apostles were not Jews after Pentecost, they no longer followed Jewish Law and taught that it was not binding on them.
 
As has been so eloquently pointed out by so many respondents to this thread, NO!
This quote from a contributor is telling:
"I think you need to be careful about overemphasizing the fact that the priesthood is not about power. While some people need to hear it, you’re also probably speaking to some women who honestly feel a call to the priesthood. They know that it’s not about power, and they (albeit mistakenly) truly believe that this is a call that their beloved placed in their hearts. We need to approach it with a bit of compassion and humility. My 2 cents…
jp2fan" - the best "compassion is truth.
God instituted this sacrament (like He did ALL of them) and consciously chose only adult males, and the Chosen People has repeatedly reiterated this throughout the nearly two millenia since. Those who oppose this teaching overlook some facts:
  • Most religious ‘clergy’ of Jesus’ era and area were female (most religions were, of course, pagan!!!), almost all of the males in theses pagan ‘clergy’ were either homosexual or castrated or both (terminal female-wannabes). Judaism had for over a thousand years limited the priesthood to sexually healthy adult males - Jesus continued this despite the prevailing practice in the wider community Jews were dispersed in.
  • If (and this is only a discussion point “if”) women were ever ordained, the Church would have to reverse a stated dogma (ca. 215 A.D.) and allow ordination of castrated males as well. This would mean that no dogma is dogmatic - thus destroying the Catholic Faith by destroying an integral aspect: the unchangeability of truth. (I think this destruction is what the real motive is of those seeking “women’s ordination”.)
**These advocates of “women’s ordination” might as well be advocating for “square circles” or some other equally impossible thing. They are trying to measure reality by their prideful ignorance of it. **
Since there are so many other religions that have women clergy, let those advocates join those religions and treat us Catholics with the compassion they say we are lacking by wishing to worship God in accord with our truth-informed consciences.
 
Deaconate is a step to Priesthood, why should women tourture themselves by allowing themselves to be so close but to never attain that they want, which is priesthood. That would be a NO!
 
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MaggieOH:
Absolutely not. You cannot trust a woman in a management position in the workforce. Imagine how much worse a woman will be as a priest.

MaggieOH
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Now, now Maggie, 😉 I have to say that one of the best Principal teachers I ever worked for was a woman. Sharp and shrewd. Took no nonsense and called a spade a spade. Men try the one size fits all method and want all happy all the time. This one outstanding woman went for some happy some of the time and she was never dissapointed. There were a number of principal teachers in my time but this woman was was outstanding.

I would work for women like this any time of the day.

I have to take issue with you!😛

Oh, and by the way, St Therese is the model for all women who feel they wanna be Priests. She desired it but desired obedience more. Now thats why she’s a saint and thats why she’s a doctor of the Church.

Think of a couple devoted to each other in marriage.Now think of the immense hurt caused to both spouses when someone in the immediate family does not like one of the spouses and loves the other. This is because the two have become one so the hurt is felt equally by both spouses.

Now think of the marriage between Christ and His Church. Imagine the immense hurt caused to His heart when people say they love Him and do not love his bride the Church?
 
Even if the Church could ordain women (and I fully believe Ordinatio Sacerdotalis prohibits it), that doesn’t mean that it should. I think that it would be the beginning of far more trouble than good; we only need to look as far as our Anglican brethren to see this. I think that’s why so many Anglicans left their church over that particular matter… they saw the fullness of Truth in the Catholic Church, and an all-male priesthood is part of that Truth.

I think we’re concentrating our energy on the wrong subject. We need to teach our young men the fullness of the Catholic Faith and to help them be open to a priestly vocation. We cannot expect young men to hear a call unless they are taught the Faith in its fullness; in some places this is done well, in others it isn’t, and we need to concentrate on helping those places where it isn’t. And I agree with jrabs about needing Adoration in more parishes. If many young men hear God’s call, the “need” for women priests will become a moot point. :twocents:

I am twenty years old and discerning a vocation to the priesthood… please pray for me.
 
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gcc_catholic:
Even if the Church could ordain women (and I fully believe Ordinatio Sacerdotalis prohibits it), that doesn’t mean that it should. I think that it would be the beginning of far more trouble than good; we only need to look as far as our Anglican brethren to see this. I think that’s why so many Anglicans left their church over that particular matter… they saw the fullness of Truth in the Catholic Church, and an all-male priesthood is part of that Truth.

I think we’re concentrating our energy on the wrong subject. We need to teach our young men the fullness of the Catholic Faith and to help them be open to a priestly vocation. We cannot expect young men to hear a call unless they are taught the Faith in its fullness; in some places this is done well, in others it isn’t, and we need to concentrate on helping those places where it isn’t. And I agree with jrabs about needing Adoration in more parishes. If many young men hear God’s call, the “need” for women priests will become a moot point. :twocents:

I am twenty years old and discerning a vocation to the priesthood… please pray for me.
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I think the main reason there is a shortage of priests is because more than ever material “success” and sex are the two most important things. Unfortunately, becoming a priest will get you neither of those things. I think parents have to also encourage their children to be open to religious vocations. I have two friends who are going to be a priest and a nun respectively, and each one’s parents were disappointed and thought they were wasting their talents (they both are incredibly intelligent).

gcc makes a good point about Adoration. I’ve read that many get their calling when they are before the Blessed Sacrament.
 
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Evan:
To be more correct, He chose members of Israel to be priests.
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And to continue being correct, the chosen ones (at least the ones we know about) were Jewish men when they were chosen and both he and they remained faithful, fully practicing Jews up through the day he died.
St Paul writes that Catholicism is the New Israel so priests who act in the name of the eternal high priest, must be members of the new Israel.
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That doesn’t change the nature of the choices.
The apostles were not Jews after Pentecost…
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Well, the argument endlessly used here is simply that “Christ chose men”. Well these “men” were fully practicing Jews when chosen and remained so long after being chosen.
 
ordination is a sacrament instituted by Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ did not ordain women to any ministerial role, therefore women cannot be ordained, it is an impossibility.
 
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